Multiversal Eternity vs. COIE Anti-Monitor
Multiversal Eternity:
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vs.
COIE Anti-Monitor (at his peak):
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Who wins?
Eternity.
Multiversal Eternity is the same eternity just this time it represents The Multiverses Eternity Concept. Now Eternity wins for rhe fact that in Marvel there isnt that topic of Matter and Anti Matter.
Eternity represents the eternal multiverse (that includes matter and anti matter). Furthermore there is no evidence as to suggest that Anti Matter would harm Multiversal Eternity. So the Anti Monitor doesnt represents a harm in this case.
Eternity wins.
Originally posted by leonidasCOIE AM was already equal to a multiversal power BEFORE he even began destroying the mainstream multiverse...
monitor=NEARLY all the universes, except the prime dc universe. eternity=ALL the universes. seems like eternity should be more powerful. /shrug
Remember, the original Monitor was linked to, and powered by, ALL positive matter universes throughout the infinite pre-crisis multiverse. That's why he became increasingly weaker with each positive matter universe that AM destroyed:
Despite the fact that Monitor possessed FULLY multiversal power, Anti-Monitor...at his absolute WEAKEST levels, mind you...was still his EQUAL:
"And so they began a war which lasted one million years. A war waged with equal power. A war in which there could be no victor..."
With that in mind, remember that for each positive matter universe AM destroyed, his anti-matter universe expanded to fill the void. Basically, every time he destroyed a positive matter universe, he gained a universe-worth of ADDITIONAL anti-matter energy:
So when he ultimately absorbed the anti-matter universe:
...AM would have gained power equivalent to an infinite amount of universes(minus the 5 that still remained, lol) ON TOP OF the multiversal power he already wielded -- so power roughly equivalent to TWO multiverses, in other words.
tl;dr
'Peak' AM was essentially a Megaversal power. 😊
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As for this battle: AM stomps Eternity, imo... One anti-matter rift, and it's over. 👆
Originally posted by Galan007
COIE AM was already equal to a multiversal power BEFORE he even began destroying the mainstream multiverse...Remember, the original Monitor was linked to, and powered by, ALL positive matter universes throughout the infinite pre-crisis multiverse. That's why he became increasingly weaker with each positive matter universe that AM destroyed:
Despite the fact that Monitor possessed FULLY multiversal power, Anti-Monitor...at his absolute WEAKEST levels, mind you...was still his EQUAL:
. A war in which there could be no victor..."
"And so they began a war which lasted one million years. A war waged with [b]equal powerWith that in mind, remember that for each positive matter universe AM destroyed, his anti-matter universe expanded to fill the void. Basically, every time he destroyed a positive matter universe, he gained a universe-worth of ADDITIONAL anti-matter energy:
So when he ultimately absorbed the anti-matter universe:
...AM would have gained power equivalent to an infinite amount of universes(minus the 5 that still remained, lol) ON TOP OF the multiversal power he already wielded -- so power roughly equivalent to TWO multiverses, in other words.
tl;dr
'Peak' AM was essentially a Megaversal power. 😊_______________________________________
As for this battle: AM stomps Eternity, imo... One anti-matter rift, and it's over. 👆 [/B]
Originally posted by Board Walker
Megaversal (multiple multiverses) AM > Multiversal eternity
Wrong Concept. COIE Antimonitor didn't had the power of Two Multiverses.
Actually DC devides their "Multiverse" into 2. The Matter and Anti Matter sides. So, there is the Matter Multiverse and the Antimatter Multiverse, but it is still the same Multiverse. Isn't like he helds 2 Multiverses.
This means that Antimonitor and Monitor are two sides of the same coin. Both Matter and Antimatter sides form the DC Multiverse.
Now, marvel on the other hand doesn't show this prospects. When we say Multiversal Eternity we mean the WHOLE MULTIVERSE (All the Concepts of the Multiverse that Eternity Represents). So, this means that both Matter and Anti Matter are counted although this prospects haven't been approached by writters.
As i said before. There is no evidence that Multiversal Eternity would get affected by Anti Matter. The power of the Anti Monitor lies in throwing Anti Matter waves at their enemies, so in this prospect Eternity wouldn't be affected.
I don't think there is a way Eternity is affected since he represents both Matter and Anti Matter, so he doesn't get affected if Matter gets destroyed.
DC in the past was a Omniverse, and still is a Omniverse. DC is composed of multiple megaverses (DC, Warner Bros, ATT, Wild Storm, Vertigo, etc), and each of those megaverses are composed of multiple multiverses.
Anti Monitor was and is a megaversal power that consisted of multiple multiverses. Multiversal Eternity was only a Multiversal entity, AM stomps as its a mismatch of huge proportions of power.
Originally posted by Board Walker
DC in the past was a Omniverse, and still is a Omniverse. DC is composed of multiple megaverses (DC, Warner Bros, ATT, Wild Storm, Vertigo, etc), and each of those megaverses are composed of multiple multiverses.Anti Monitor was and is a megaversal power that consisted of multiple multiverses. Multiversal Eternity was only a Multiversal entity, AM stomps as its a mismatch of huge proportions of power.
Doesn't matter yet. Anti monitor's power lies within anti matter. Multiversal Eternity doesn't get affected by anti matter. Multiversal Eternity represents both matter and anti matter.
There is nothing Anti monitor could do to hear Eternity.
Eternity wins.
Originally posted by Galan007
COIE AM was already equal to a multiversal power BEFORE he even began destroying the mainstream multiverse...Remember, the original Monitor was linked to, and powered by, ALL positive matter universes throughout the infinite pre-crisis multiverse. That's why he became increasingly weaker with each positive matter universe that AM destroyed:
Despite the fact that Monitor possessed FULLY multiversal power, Anti-Monitor...at his absolute WEAKEST levels, mind you...was still his EQUAL:
. A war in which there could be no victor..."
"And so they began a war which lasted one million years. A war waged with [b]equal powerWith that in mind, remember that for each positive matter universe AM destroyed, his anti-matter universe expanded to fill the void. Basically, every time he destroyed a positive matter universe, he gained a universe-worth of ADDITIONAL anti-matter energy:
So when he ultimately absorbed the anti-matter universe:
...AM would have gained power equivalent to an infinite amount of universes(minus the 5 that still remained, lol) ON TOP OF the multiversal power he already wielded -- so power roughly equivalent to TWO multiverses, in other words.
tl;dr
'Peak' AM was essentially a Megaversal power. 😊_______________________________________
As for this battle: AM stomps Eternity, imo... One anti-matter rift, and it's over. 👆 [/B]
i can def get what you're saying here, but for the sake of discussion i'll play devil's advocate for a second. we're essentially comparing 2 examples of 'infinity'. you're saying that in dc there were 2 sources of 'infinite' power for AM to draw from though, correct? hard to argue with that stance. the only issue i would possibly have deals with viewing the matter/anti-matter universes as multiverses in themselves. i'm not sure if the anti-matter universe WAS a multiverse, as opposed to just a very large universe. it seems like we could pretty easily view the combination of the matter/anti-matter parts of dc as just ONE multiverse, as opposed to seeing them as 2 separate multiverses, if you get what i'm saying.
if that's the pov you take, (that collectively they form one multiverse) i'm not sure we can say definitively that the dc multiverse>marvel multiverse. if we can't, it's not unreasonable to say eternity>AM only because AM lacked those last couple universes. as regards an anti-matter attack: not sure that would work tbh. in dc anti-matter was pretty much the end of everything, but marvel has its anti-matter universe--the negative zone, so anti-matter certainly isn't something...foreign to eternity.
based on your initial assessment it's easy to see why people might think AM stomps, but it really depends on the way you view the dc multiverse i think.
Originally posted by leonidasWhat I'm saying in a nutshell is...
i can def get what you're saying here, but for the sake of discussion i'll play devil's advocate for a second. we're essentially comparing 2 examples of 'infinity'. you're saying that in dc there were 2 sources of 'infinite' power for AM to draw from though, correct? hard to argue with that stance. the only issue i would possibly have deals with viewing the matter/anti-matter universes as multiverses in themselves. i'm not sure if the anti-matter universe WAS a multiverse, as opposed to just a very large universe. it seems like we could pretty easily view the combination of the matter/anti-matter parts of dc as just ONE multiverse, as opposed to seeing them as 2 separate multiverses, if you get what i'm saying.if that's the pov you take, (that collectively they form one multiverse) i'm not sure we can say definitively that the dc multiverse>marvel multiverse. if we can't, it's not unreasonable to say eternity>AM only because AM lacked those last couple universes. as regards an anti-matter attack: not sure that would work tbh. in dc anti-matter was pretty much the end of everything, but marvel has its anti-matter universe--the negative zone, so anti-matter certainly isn't something...foreign to eternity.
based on your initial assessment it's easy to see why people might think AM stomps, but it really depends on the way you view the dc multiverse i think.
The original Monitor was a fully multiversal power, and AM was his exact equal when they originally fought. Thus AM's baseline power must have also been multiversal by proxy(I'm sure you understand why I think it would take a multiversal power to stalemate multiversal power.)
Now where cosmology is concerned: the anti-matter universe was just that: a [albeit VERY large] universe. However, the power it contained when AM absorbed it was ~multiversal, as it contained the energies of the entire pre-crisis multiverse(sans 5 individual universes, lol) in addition to its own.
...So if AM was already a multiversal power...then absorbed a multiverse-worth of additional energies...it means his 'peak' power would have been equal to that of ~two multiverses.
...Ergo, a #Megaversal power. 😄
Originally posted by Galan007
So if AM was already a multiversal power...then absorbed a multiverse-worth of additional energies...it means his 'peak' power would have been equal to that of ~two multiverses....Ergo, a Megaversal power. 😄
Thats not it.
You guys have it wrong. The matter and anti matter form the multiverse. When COIE anti monitor absorved the matter multiverse he had the power of (1 multiverse or infinite universes - 5). You guys are taking it as if there were 2 multiverses, when in reality its one multiverse devided into two (matter side and anti matter side)
Eternity wins.
marvel has been labeled an omniverse on numerous occasions as well, so that designation is menaingless. 👆
...So if AM was already a multiversal power...then absorbed a multiverse-worth of additional energies...it means his 'peak' power would have been equal to that of ~two multiverses....Ergo, a #Megaversal power.
lol
i understand your stance completely and were i forced to choose here, i'd fall on the side of the AM too. i'm just less sure it is totally cut and dry i guess. we also had that scan of pariah saying AM absorbed 1000 universes. pretty sure that was just dumb character speak, but 1000 is....a LOT less than an infinite amount. lol
there is obvious precdence though for 1 universe being =/> than a multiverse--the beyonderverse grossly dwarfed the main marvel multiverse. /shrug
i'll continue to play devil's advocate for a second though because i'm bored. 😄
the monitor stresses that he gets power from all the 'positive matter universes'. that would imply all the 'alternate earth' universes. but wasn't fourth world exempt from his influence? and there exist a lot of magical realms in dc. it doesn't seem that the monitor would get power from them. only drawing power from positive matter universes seems like it would leave...a LOT of the multiverse outside his influence (think of the higher dimensional planes, the lands of the dead, the temporal planes, etc....)
in eternity's defense, he represents ALL universes--positive, negative, magical and everything else inbetween. eternity's "all" seems to represent more than monitors "all" if you see where i'm going. the question then would be how does representing EVERYTHING compare to the AM having the power of just the AM universe and the positive matter universes....? seems like both monitor and AM would initially be LESS than eternity (though still clearly multiversal). can their combined power make up the difference...? maybe, but maybe not so perfectly cut-and-dry? 😄
