Valkorion vs Darth Sidious

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Valkorion vs Darth Sidious

Round 1: RotS Sidious

Round 2: Dark Empire Sidious

AAaaaaAAAaaaAaaand go.

Sidious. Even if we assume they're comparably powerful, Sidious is the far better warrior.

1. Valk
2. Who can destroy the opponents physical body or the spirit?

Sidious sweeps.

Valkorion in both.

Sidious one-shots both

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Valkorion in both.

DMB you traitor

Originally posted by TenebrousWay
Sidious. Even if we assume they're comparably powerful, Sidious is the far better warrior.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Valkorion in both.

Round 1: Sidious is canonically superior. Decent fight, but an unquestionable Sidious win.
Round 2: One casual flick of the Dark Lord's finger, Valkorion is dead. Spite. Add in two more Valkorions and the outcome is the same. They get blown away with a wave of the Dark Lord's hand.

Canonically superior isn't a thing anymore. 👆

Valkorion in both

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Canonically superior isn't a thing anymore. 👆

Because of the Sith species thing? Valkorion is now an entity- he doesn't have a body of his own. The entity is not part of a species any longer. It's just a Force wielder with no permanent body. Don't know how that can't have species any longer.

Anyway, Sidious is still the most powerful Dark Sider in existence bar the Son. The quotes you are trying to pass as invalid pretty obviously exclude the Son, as he is more than a mere Dark Side user. They are perfectly valid. ROTS Sidious is, pretty simply, the most powerful Dark Sider in history. And he can simply close the gap between Valkorion and himself, dicing the Emperor up.

ROTS Sidious>Valkorion. Sidious being canonically superior is a thing. That section of your blog has been debunked in, like, three minutes? I'm sorry to do it, given you clearly have dedicated lots of your times to wanking TOR, but fanwank is just something that needs to be purged 🙂

Originally posted by thesithmaster
Because of the Sith species thing? Valkorion is now an entity- he doesn't have a body of his own. The entity is not part of a species any longer. It's just a Force wielder with no permanent body. Don't know how that can't have species any longer.

Doesn't really matter, the codex was poorly worded, and the writer clarified 👆

Originally posted by thesithmaster
Anyway, Sidious is still the most powerful Dark Sider in existence bar the Son. The quotes you are trying to pass as invalid pretty obviously exclude the Son, as he is more than a mere Dark Side user. They are perfectly valid. ROTS Sidious is, pretty simply, the most powerful Dark Sider in history. And he can simply close the gap between Valkorion and himself, dicing the Emperor up.

That's actually why the darksider quotes have no value: they're explicitly contradicted by The Son and Abeloth being more powerful. They are literally false. If you read that part of the blog, maybe you'd recognize that. The Son is still a dark sider, regardless of his standing as a celestial. 👆

Originally posted by thesithmaster
ROTS Sidious>Valkorion. Sidious being canonically superior is a thing. That section of your blog has been debunked in, like, three minutes? I'm sorry to do it, given you clearly have dedicated lots of your times to wanking TOR, but fanwank is just something that needs to be purged 🙂

See, this is what I take issue with you. Your arrogance is completely unwarranted given the "quality" of arguments I consistently see with you. If you'd be more respectful, maybe you wouldn't be universally recognized as a sub-PTforthewin scrub. 🙂

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Doesn't really matter, the codex was poorly worded, and the writer clarified 👆

That's actually why the darksider quotes have no value: they're explicitly contradicted by The Son and Abeloth being more powerful. They are literally false. If you read that part of the blog, maybe you'd recognize that. 👆

See, this is what I take issue with you. Your arrogance is completely unwarranted given the "quality" of arguments I consistently see with you. If you'd be more respectful, maybe you wouldn't be universally recognized as a sub-PTforthewin scrub. 🙂

But I read the blog. That part at least. The ones you posted are excluding the Son, if you apply logic. It's talking simply about Dark Side users. The Son is an entity. Entirely different things. There is no reason why that quote includes the Son. At all.

Oh, I'm a scrub? I'm absolutely preoccupied that people' salt supplies are huge and they rank me badly. Oh wait. I'm not. They can rain their salt, I don't give a damn.

The issue is that the palpatine quotes regarding him being the most powerful dark sider don't imply any exceptions. they're literally calling him "the most powerful dark side expression" and that he "succeeded where all others had failed in taming the dark side". There's no implied exceptions. The Son and Abeloth contradict the quote. It is literally false. 👆

Also, what quotes call palpatine the strongest darksider as of ROTS, anyways?

Originally posted by thesithmaster

Round 2: One casual flick of the Dark Lord's finger, Valkorion is dead. Spite. Add in two more Valkorions and the outcome is the same. They get blown away with a wave of the Dark Lord's hand.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
The issue is that the palpatine quotes regarding him being the most powerful dark sider don't imply any exceptions. they're literally calling him "the most powerful dark side expression" and that he "succeeded where all others had failed in taming the dark side". There's no implied exceptions. The Son and Abeloth contradict the quote. It is literally false. 👆

Also, what quotes call palpatine the strongest darksider as of ROTS, anyways?

Oh... I was referring to this:

"Inside the spacious interior of the Galactic Senate chamber, Yoda challenged the Emperor. The two engaged in a spectacular duel—a contest between the most powerful practitioners of the Force’s light and dark sides."

The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia

It does not mention of their day or of the era, so it's simply the most powerful Dark Sider in history. Again, there's no reason to think the Son is involved. He isn't a Force practitioner, he's more of a Force entity. Yes, he does use the Force but he's above the beings in existence due to being uber powerful and being the living embodiment of the Dark Side.

Sidious>Valkorion as of ROTS.

There's no reason to assume that, since it's not specified, it means all of history. 😬

More importantly, the Son uses the dark-side, therefore he would be included.