Valkorion vs Darth Sidious

Oh... I was referring to this:

"Inside the spacious interior of the Galactic Senate chamber, Yoda challenged the Emperor. The two engaged in a spectacular duel—a contest between the most powerful practitioners of the Force’s light and dark sides."

The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia

It does not mention of their day or of the era, so it's simply the most powerful Dark Sider in history.

Huh? That's not how it works. We don't just assume it's referring to all of history if it doesn't say "of the era". It says neither. Ambiguous. 👆

It does not mention of their day or of the era, so it's simply the most powerful Dark Sider in history. Again, there's no reason to think the Son is involved. He isn't a Force practitioner, he's more of a Force entity. Yes, he does use the Force but he's above the beings in existence due to being uber powerful and being the living embodiment of the Dark Side.

I don't think you understand how this works. The Son is a practitioner of the dark side. The quote doesn't say "most powerful dark side practitioner sans force entities". The son is a dark side practitioner, he falls under the umbrella of the quote. The quote is literally inaccurate. 👆

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
There's no reason to assume that, since it's not specified, it means all of history. 😬

More importantly, the Son uses the dark-side, therefore he would be included.

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The reality is, if you want that to be applied to Valkorion, it has to be applied to the Son, Abeloth, and Luke Skywalker too (vs Yoda).

If we're going all of history, we're going all of history. The book covers everything, not just up until RotS. There's no reason to stop there.

Using it is certainly a double-edged sword - one I don't think anyone is willing to use when considering the consequences.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
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The "most powerful expression" is also referred from Vader which puts in question the atemporality of the quote.

Anyway, on topic:

1. Probably Valkorion.
2. Probably Sidious.

Sidious curbs

Valk definitely takes round one. The second round, however, is up for debate.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Anyway, on topic:

1. Probably Valkorion.
2. Probably Sidious.

Valkorion beats ROTS Sidious and loses to DE Sidious.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Valkorion in both.

Sidious wins.

Nah, Jerec scaling has butchered that idea.

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I knew someone would fall for it, lmao

Sidious has done sh!t like unbalancing the force, causing weather changes with his hologram, bend lightsaber blades with his lightning, and match/edge the most powerful jedi of all time who himself can lift and manipulate two empire state sized ships telekenitically.

Sids scales from people who have put tears in galaxy wide light bubbles, put telekentic barriers capable of guarding entire fotresses, someone who, with help, can force the force itself to yield, who made the force intervene when he moved to telepatchically disturb everyone in the galaxy, came the closest to discovering immortality, and had learned how to manipulate and create the very buildingblocks of life itself.

Sids has suffecient feats to back up his his place in the lore as the most powerful darksider in history. That quotes are disputable don't make them worthless and with all that Sidious has accomplished, you'll have a hard time trying to dispute their validity.

Sidious's mastery of a lightsaber, being the supreme duelistup untill his time, makes sidious a far greater combatant than Valkorian.

Simply put, Valk dies. 🙂

Valkorion being a far more potent variation of amped Jerec, who is factually > Sidious makes this all moot.

Sidious wins both rounds. Valkorion doesn't touch DE Sidious.

"far more potent variation" LMFAO. That's based on literally nothing.

The sudden outburst of sympathy for Valk is noted, but Sidious still wins. 🙂

Originally posted by SunRazer
The sudden outburst of sympathy for Valk is noted, but Sidious still wins. 🙂