Originally posted by Rockydonovang
It's literal. Jerec, literally gained knowledge into crap nobody in the galaxy had a clue about.
No, it isn't. Had Jerec truly been all-knowing, he would have known he wasn't untouchable, a factually incorrect notion, and he wouldn't have let Katarn sever his connection to the Force while he literally did nothing to defend himself.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
All of which was retconned. 👆
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
And he literally tells you he needs a body to preserve his spirit, literally tells you he only plans to ditch his body to take the Outlander's,
Voices... Hands... Children... I no longer require those crude vessels. At long last I am truly free. (Tenebrae)
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
we're told his immortality isn't really immortality
I see immortality in following ways:-
1. Ability to cheat death and extend life for indefinite period.
3. Omnipotence*
*Omnipotence is an impossibility.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
and requires him to consume planets, and finally, what does this have to do with anything again?
Dude says he's made you into a vessel worthy of, "Holding and preserving [his] spirit."
His father then goes on to tell you he needs to constantly consume life to keep his immortality, hence Ziost. Stop acting like a block of wood. No one with even only a fundamental understanding of English gets the words immortal and omnipotent mixed up. They don't even sound the same or have even remotely similar definitions. Stop deflecting.
Well I guess you'll have a source for that claim. I mean I know you don't, but I'll give you the chance to find one.
On a side note, I used to think KotET was ****ing retarded, but since it's destroyed almost every Vitishit argument you've ever made, it might actually be the greatest piece of Star Wars media to ever grace my computer.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Dude says he's made you into a vessel worthy of, "Holding and preserving [his] spirit."
"You were an exemplary pawn, one I forged into a vessel of supreme power--worthy of preserving my spirit." (Tenebrae)
The 'preserving' part = [metaphor] in this case.
Tenebrae's spirit had latched onto the Outlander for years and had been a source of great power whenever called upon. Sounds like a plot device instead of being a requirement because events of Shadow of Revan and Rise of the Emperor are part of BioWare canon and acknowledged in later expansions.
We have clearly seen Tenebrae making his presence known in Yavin IV, teleporting from Yavin IV to Ziost and subsequently devastating Ziost in intangible form. This event chain wouldn't be possible if Tenebrae could not retain his presence outside a body and/or could not resist pull of the void.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
His father then goes on to tell you he needs to constantly consume life to keep his immortality, hence Ziost.
Tenebrae also benefits from siphoning energies of his subjects; his growth in power. 👆
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Stop acting like a block of wood. No one with even only a fundamental understanding of English gets the words immortal and omnipotent mixed up. They don't even sound the same or have even remotely similar definitions. Stop deflecting.
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/x9h4t/if_you_were_an_immortal_omnipotent_being_what/
Tenebrae's ability to prolong his corporeal existence for indefinite period and his ability to cheat corporeal death on top of it, implies immortality.
How would you describe him otherwise?
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Well I guess you'll have a source for that claim. I mean I know you don't, but I'll give you the chance to find one.
You can also look at the case of Darth Nihilus; his hunger was a by-product of his Wound condition and his course-of-action was to siphon the energy of his subjects in order to satiate it.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
On a side note, I used to think KotET was ****ing retarded, but since it's destroyed almost every Vitishit argument you've ever made, it might actually be the greatest piece of Star Wars media to ever grace my computer.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
On my phone: Az, Ellimist, or ILS: could one of you paraphrase the strongest arguments as to why ROTS Sidious is above Valkorion? Might as well turn this into the meat and potatoes.
To avoid turning this into a metadebate, for the sake of the argument I'll now agree that Valkorion isn't a Sith nor a full darksider.
He still loses to this iteration of Sheev, though. The Shadow has the following going for him:
[List]
[*]Being only mere months away from his Byss feat, which is by all accounts superior to Vitiate's stunt on Ziost (can elaborate later)
[*]Being powerful enough in the Force to turn the entire galaxy into a dark side nexus, or rather, being that galaxy-wide dark side nexus himself, as contrasted with Vitiate only managing to tilt half the galaxy to the dark side over the course of 300 years (if we're being generous to him)
[*](arguably) TP'ing the entire Jedi Order which resulted in the clouding their Force sight
[*]Scaling from Plagueis, who can outwill the Force and TP the entire galaxy (quadrillions of beings)
[*]Being [somewhat] relativistic to RotJ Sheev, who can dominate the Imperial Military (tens of trillions of beings)
[*]Having Force lightning that can bend lightsaber blades, making it more potent than lightsaber plasma and thus able to penetrate Valk's defences (who has not shown anything beyond blocking standard lightsaber strikes)
[*]Being able to casually protect himself from attacks more intense than lightsaber plasma, meaning any of Valk's attacks will be utterly impotent (Valk has not shown offensive output beyond or even on the level of a lightsaber blade)
[*]Being fast enough to speedblitz Yoda with his lightning, meaning he'd be able to blitz the infinitely inferior combatant in Valk as well and one-shot him (a Valk with no active defences has been proven vulnerable to blaster bolts)
[*]Being a far more tactically aware and combatively capable individual in general
[/list]
All in all, Valk's pretty thoroughly outclassed here.
Originally posted by Azronger
To avoid turning this into a metadebate, for the sake of the argument I'll now agree that Valkorion isn't a Sith nor a full darksider.He still loses to this iteration of Sheev, though. The Shadow has the following going for him:
that galaxy-wide dark side nexus himself, as contrasted with Vitiate only managing to tilt half the galaxy to the dark side over the course of 300 years (if we're being generous to him)
[List]
[*]Being only mere months away from his Byss feat, which is by all accounts superior to Vitiate's stunt on Ziost (can elaborate later)
[*]Being powerful enough in the Force to turn the entire galaxy into a dark side nexus, or rather, [b]being
[*](arguably) TP'ing the entire Jedi Order which resulted in the clouding their Force sight
[*]Scaling from Plagueis, who can outwill the Force and TP the entire galaxy (quadrillions of beings)
[*]Being [somewhat] relativistic to RotJ Sheev, who can dominate the Imperial Military (tens of trillions of beings)
[*]Having Force lightning that can bend lightsaber blades, making it more potent than lightsaber plasma and thus able to penetrate Valk's defences (who has not shown anything beyond blocking standard lightsaber strikes)
[*]Being able to casually protect himself from attacks more intense than lightsaber plasma, meaning any of Valk's attacks will be utterly impotent (Valk has not shown offensive output beyond or even on the level of a lightsaber blade)
[*]Being fast enough to speedblitz Yoda with his lightning, meaning he'd be able to blitz the infinitely inferior combatant in Valk as well and one-shot him (a Valk with no active defences has been proven vulnerable to blaster bolts)
[*]Being a far more tactically aware and combatively capable individual in general
[/list]All in all, Valk's pretty thoroughly outclassed here. [/B]
BTW How fast is Valkorion in combat?