Sauron vs. Night King · Movie Versus Forum

Josh_Alexander Keeper of Cosmic Balance

Originally posted by quanchi112
We have to both be open to other beings being able to affect the others depose not existing in their universe. I believe Suaron and his power can definitely kill the Night King and vice versa. If we don't believe they can affect each other at all then there's no point to the thread. I honestly believe both abe demonstrated enough power to destroy the other provided the opening.

No csuse it is how you make the thread. If you put no prep time there is no way they can know how to defeat the other. In that case Night King has the upper hand.

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Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
No csuse it is how you make the thread. If you put no prep time there is no way they can know how to defeat the other. In that case Night King has the upper hand.

If Sauron hits him with his mace it's going to hurt him/possibly/most likely kill him. Look at the power behind his swings and the ring obviously being involved with the power display. At this point we have seen no invulnerability by the Night King thus far in combat especially against someone with such raw powerful magic at his disposal and that mace.

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Here is Sauron in his physical form for those who do not remember, you can see how strong he is:

YouTube video

Sauron shows up about 2 minutes in.

Josh_Alexander Keeper of Cosmic Balance

Originally posted by quanchi112
If Sauron hits him with his mace it's going to hurt him/possibly/most likely kill him. Look at the power behind his swings and the ring obviously being involved with the power display. At this point we have seen no invulnerability by the Night King thus far in combat especially against someone with such raw powerful magic at his disposal and that mace.

Originally posted by Surtur
Here is Sauron in his physical form for those who do not remember, you can see how strong he is:
YouTube video
Sauron shows up about 2 minutes in.

Doesnt matter.

The WWs swords are so cold any other metal other than Valyrian stell would shatter. That Mace and Armor of Sauron are Useless. Unless Sauron knows this and how to make Valyrian steel he will be doomed.

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Well I do not watch GoT so I have no idea what this Night King can do, I was just showing what Sauron can do.

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Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Doesnt matter.
The WWs swords are so cold any other metal other than Valyrian stell would shatter. That Mace and Armor of Sauron are Useless. Unless Sauron knows this and how to make Valyrian steel he will be doomed.

Speculation. That may be true of other materials from Westeros but that doesn't include Sauron or his magical ring and badass mace. It's like saying night King can't do shit to the ring unless he casts it into Mordor. Plot devices are only pertaining to their native universe not all other fictional universes.

Josh_Alexander Keeper of Cosmic Balance

Originally posted by quanchi112
Speculation. That may be true of other materials from Westeros but that doesn't include Sauron or his magical ring and badass mace. It's like saying night King can't do shit to the ring unless he casts it into Mordor. Plot devices are only pertaining to their native universe not all other fictional universes.

Originally posted by Surtur
Well I do not watch GoT so I have no idea what this Night King can do, I was just showing what Sauron can do.

The White Walkers have swords so cold that can shatter any metal. Saurons mace and Armor would shatter to the Night King's sword...Unless Sauron knows about Valyrian still he is doom to become a walking dead! Hahaha

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Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
The White Walkers have swords so cold that can shatter any metal. Saurons mace and Armor would shatter to the Night King's sword...Unless Sauron knows about Valyrian still he is doom to become a walking dead! Hahaha

Shatter any metal seen in Westoros save Valyrian, etc. that doesn't mean it can shatter a made empowered by the one ring since it doesn't exist in Westoros. The mace wielded by Sauron has more impressive feats than any sword shown affecting the White Walkers.

Josh_Alexander Keeper of Cosmic Balance

Originally posted by quanchi112
Shatter any metal seen in Westoros save Valyrian, etc. that doesn't mean it can shatter a made empowered by the one ring since it doesn't exist in Westoros. The mace wielded by Sauron has more impressive feats than any sword shown affecting the White Walkers.

You are assuiming that. It can be consider any metal except Valyrian. ANY! There is no evidence to say that Saurons metal is harder than GOT Steel.

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Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
You are assuiming that. It can be consider any metal except Valyrian. ANY! There is no evidence to say that Saurons metal is harder than GOT Steel.

Except his feat is far superior to any valerian sword used in combat or dragon glass. Did you watch the clip ? He sent back multiple foes back twenty or so feet while they were heavily armored. GoT would shit its collective pants if they saw Sauron swing his mace. I do not foresee the Night King to be actively scared but again I also don't see him being able to withstand the power from the swing of his mace.

Josh_Alexander Keeper of Cosmic Balance

Originally posted by quanchi112
Except his feat is far superior to any valerian sword used in combat or dragon glass. Did you watch the clip ? He sent back multiple foes back twenty or so feet while they were heavily armored. GoT would shit its collective pants if they saw Sauron swing his mace. I do not foresee the Night King to be actively scared but again I also don't see him being able to withstand the power from the swing of his mace.

He covers himself with the Sword and that mace shatters.

Valyrian steel isnt just strong. It is enchanted. It is the Enchantment that prevents it from breaking. Sauron doesnt have Valyrian steel = Losing side.

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Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
He covers himself with the Sword and that mace shatters.
Valyrian steel isnt just strong. It is enchanted. It is the Enchantment that prevents it from breaking. Sauron doesnt have Valyrian steel = Losing side.

We know the ring is magical and is enchanted. 🙂

It is seen amping his attacks. Sauron is a magical being. We see many swords enchanted in the Lotr side as well. This ain't special. It may be special to GoT but not in the Lotr universe and you're up against the grandest and most powerful magic user Sauron. Prepare yourself Night King because you haven't dealt with anyone like this before.

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Unless you specifically state otherwise a weapon/characters strengths and weaknesses have to be considered in the vs thread. Having said that a case could be made that LotR magic =/= GoT magic because who really knows how one enchanted item will work on another.

Make a specific ruling in the OP next time that'll save some time

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Originally posted by relentless1
Unless you specifically state otherwise a weapon/characters strengths and weaknesses have to be considered in the vs thread. Having said that a case could be made that LotR magic =/= GoT magic because who really knows how one enchanted item will work on another.
Make a specific ruling in the OP next time that'll save some time

No, I do not have to ever say anything regarding the plot devices of one universe vs another. It's an aspect of the debate but it's silly to act like one plot device has anything to do with another. Both sides need to be reasonable and accept the validity of the power of both universe's magical power.

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Hmm, I'd say Sauron. We know the dude is a powerful sorcerer, a Maiar, a powerful fighter (Even though he hates sullying his hands personally) and because of his Ainur status has a small part of the Flame Imperishable in him. Also, while we know the White's swords shatter ordinary steel on contact, we do not know if it does the same to encorcelled blades crafted in the forges of Barad-Dur. Sauron's mace, sword and armor were made by him. Considering what we saw the mace do, it's not standard castle forged steel. The fact is, we do not know what sort of interaction Saurons power will have on a Walker, or Vice Versa. To simply assume that it would shatter like common steel is asenine.

Oh, and welcome back Quan.

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Josh ?? Have you abandoned your quest ?

Josh_Alexander Keeper of Cosmic Balance

Originally posted by quanchi112
We know the ring is magical and is enchanted. 🙂
It is seen amping his attacks. Sauron is a magical being. We see many swords enchanted in the Lotr side as well. This ain't special. It may be special to GoT but not in the Lotr universe and you're up against the grandest and most powerful magic user Sauron. Prepare yourself Night King because you haven't dealt with anyone like this before.

No. The fact that it is enchanted doesnt mean it will stop the Ice Sword.

It has different enchantments as Valyrian steel does. Enchantments dont work for everything. There are specific enchantments and different type of Enchantments.

Its very likely that the Mace will Shatter. White Walkers Sword will shatter anything for exception of Valyrian steel and dragon glass. Assuming Sauron doesnt know this...he is soon to become a dead walkig Sauron for the Army of the Dead.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Josh ?? Have you abandoned your quest ?

No. Hahaha.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Hmm, I'd say Sauron. We know the dude is a powerful sorcerer, a Maiar, a powerful fighter (Even though he hates sullying his hands personally) and because of his Ainur status has a small part of the Flame Imperishable in him. Also, while we know the White's swords shatter ordinary steel on contact, we do not know if it does the same to encorcelled blades crafted in the forges of Barad-Dur. Sauron's mace, sword and armor were made by him. Considering what we saw the mace do, it's not standard castle forged steel. The fact is, we do not know what sort of interaction Saurons power will have on a Walker, or Vice Versa. To simply assume that it would shatter like common steel is asenine.
Oh, and welcome back Quan.

You are speculating that.

Royman Royce sword wasnt made of normal steel...no Knights sword is. Yet it shattered.

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Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
No. The fact that it is enchanted doesnt mean it will stop the Ice Sword.

It also doesn't mean it will shatter. Has it destroyed any enchanted swords ? If you look at the power behind the mace in Sauron's grasp it makes Valyrian look impotent by comparison.

It has different enchantments as Valyrian steel does. Enchantments dont work for everything. There are specific enchantments and different type of Enchantments.
Its very likely that the Mace will Shatter. White Walkers Sword will shatter anything for exception of Valyrian steel and dragon glass. Assuming Sauron doesnt know this...he is soon to become a dead walkig Sauron for the Army of the Dead.[/B]

You keep repeating yourself because you're in a corner trying to support a plot device. Sauron's mace doesn't exist in Westeros so the plot device only applies to the materials in that specific world not Middle Earth.

If you compare Sauron and the force behind him swinging the mace compared to Valyrian steel we can see which of the two is a lot more impressive.

Josh_Alexander Keeper of Cosmic Balance

Originally posted by quanchi112
It also doesn't mean it will shatter. Has it destroyed any enchanted swords ? If you look at the power behind the mace in Sauron's grasp it makes Valyrian look impotent by comparison.
You keep repeating yourself because you're in a corner trying to support a plot device. Sauron's mace doesn't exist in Westeros so the plot device only applies to the materials in that specific world not Middle Earth.
If you compare Sauron and the force behind him swinging the mace compared to Valyrian steel we can see which of the two is a lot more impressive.

Not the same enchantments. And Valyrian swords are no ordinary thing. They were made by Valyrian Sorcerors 8000 years ago. Dobt see why Sauron's Mace is more impressive than that.

Surely LoTR has never seen an Ice Sword before.

You are corner by the fact that the Mighty Sauron's mace will shatter like crystal when met by the Night Kings Sword! Sauron will become a dead Sauron.