Originally posted by Josh_AlexanderOnly those weapons that we know of in Westeros which doesn't apply to Middle Earth. Those variables don't exist in the same universe so you reached a flawed conclusion. When enchanted weapons hit the Night King he dies.
Yes they die. And the mace wouldnt kill The Night king. Only Valyrian steel and Obsidian can. Period.
Originally posted by ImpedimentYes, due to the separation of the ring. Sauron left himself in a vulnerable position reaching forward against the downed man with the broken sword.
It's been a while since I've watched the LOTR films, but didn't Sauron die from just a slash to the fingers from Narsil wielded by Isildur?
Originally posted by quanchi112
I agree and the same goes for Sauron. I think it's unfair to think neither guy can hurt the other.
Well, in technicality, I find the average Walker to be poor in combat without his ice powers working. I refer to the very first Walker Jon killed in Hardhome. The Walker was a beast when it killed the Then, and was ragdolling Jon, to be sure.
But, when it's power to shatter weapons failed on Longclaw, the Walker's weak combat skill was revealed, as Jon shattered the Walker in less than 2 moves after he first blocked the ice sword.
Again, when Jon and the Magnificent Seven confront the lone Walker and his small group of Wights during the Wight Hunt, Jon outfights the Walker rather handidly.
This tells me that the Walkers rely rather heavily on their powers working effectively. I cannot say if it's the same for the Night King himself though, because the King has not been in personal combat, but... assuming that Viserion killing Javelin Throw wasn't magically enhanced, that gives him a Giant's level of super strength at least, and that would put him well within Sauron's strength range.
It does seem the basic white walkers rely on their powers but like any race we judge them based off the merits of each character's showings. That being said that javelin throw was rather impressive and we will know all we need to know about the Night King when the final season finally airs. Whether it was magically enhanced or just super strength we all agree that toss would hurt. Extremely impressive.
Originally posted by quanchi112
It does seem the basic white walkers rely on their powers but like any race we judge them based off the merits of each character's showings. That being said that javelin throw was rather impressive and we will know all we need to know about the Night King when the final season finally airs. Whether it was magically enhanced or just super strength we all agree that toss would hurt. Extremely impressive.
That Javelin Toss was devastating. Would have been more devastating if he aimed it at Drogon, but eh, thats just me being picky 😛
Originally posted by quanchi112
To Sauron winning.
I could agree on that!
But not by his mace. He will have to find another way to do so. Cause that mace WILL Shatter.
It is general info Ice Swords>>>any other material except Valyirian and Dragon Glass!
So Sauron will have to rely on spells or other stuff.
Originally posted by Josh_AlexanderYou don't have any evidence to prove magical weapons shatter against the Night King. Otherwise it's a baseless claim. He doesn't use regular weapons.
I could agree on that!But not by his mace. He will have to find another way to do so. Cause that mace WILL Shatter.
It is general info Ice Swords>>>any other material except Valyirian and Dragon Glass!
So Sauron will have to rely on spells or other stuff.
Originally posted by quanchi112
You don't have any evidence to prove magical weapons shatter against the Night King. Otherwise it's a baseless claim. He doesn't use regular weapons.
I have evidence that any material except Dragon glass and Valyrian steel WILL SHATTER.
I also have EVIDENCE that the WW can only be killed by DRAGON GLASS and VALYRIAN STEEL.
You have NO EVIDENCE to show that Sauron Mace is made of any of these materials.
You have NO EVIDENCE that Sauron will know this and be able yo make this materials.
PERIOD!!!
Why do we keep arguing the samething. YOU HAVR NO EVIDENCE TO BACK UP YOUR CLAIMS.
Originally posted by Josh_AlexanderOnly material in GoT not including the magical weapons in Lotr so irrelevant.
I have evidence that any material except Dragon glass and Valyrian steel WILL SHATTER.[B]
Same reasoning destroys that plot device which doesn't take anither world into consideration just its own.
I also have EVIDENCE that the WW can only be killed by DRAGON GLASS and VALYRIAN STEEL.You have NO EVIDENCE to show that Sauron Mace is made of any of these materials.
You have NO EVIDENCE that Sauron will know this and be able yo make this materials.
PERIOD!!!
Why do we keep arguing the samething. YOU HAVR NO EVIDENCE TO BACK UP YOUR CLAIMS.
It doesn't have to be. What magical weapon shattered against a white Walker ? Regular weapons that don't compare to Sauron's mace feat.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Only material in GoT not including the magical weapons in Lotr so irrelevant.
Same reasoning destroys that plot device which doesn't take anither world into consideration just its own.It doesn't have to be. What magical weapon shattered against a white Walker ? Regular weapons that don't compare to Sauron's mace feat.
You keep avoiding the evidence!
If a character is said to br immortal it doesnt mean it wont be agains a character of another universe just to make it fair.
You are being irrational.
MY POINTS ARE CLEAR. YOURS ARENT
Originally posted by Josh_AlexanderYou don't have any magical weapons failing to hurt him and Sauron's feat is more impressive than anything Valyrian steel has shown.
You keep avoiding the evidence!If a character is said to br immortal it doesnt mean it wont be agains a character of another universe just to make it fair.
You are being irrational.
MY POINTS ARE CLEAR. YOURS ARENT
Your points are baseless and only apply to weapons from Westeros not middle earth.