Dark storm, how do you feel about these numbers ?
Estimated strength of the Dwarves, Elves, and Men:
10,000 Silvan Elves of Mirkwood
7,000 Dwarves of the Iron Hills
3,000 Lake-town Militia (including 1000-1500 Lake-town Civilians)
10 Great Eagles
2 Wizards
1 Beorning
1 Hobbit
Estimated strength of Azog's army:
50,000 Guldur Orcs
25,000 Gundabad Orcs
40 Orc Berserkers
100 Wargs
900 Gundabad Bats
100 Goblin Mercenaries
25-30 Trolls and Olog-hai
12 Ogres
3 Were-worms
Originally posted by Josh_AlexanderI have to go over those with a more detailed manner tomorrow. I told you the problems I had with them prior to this with the golden company and the wildfire.
So youll agree on the numbers I gave you? As I said before. I adjusted the numbers so that Lott Bo5A doesn't get butchered and it is more fair and fun. But as you can see and we discussed before..numbers are at my favor.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Dark storm, how do you feel about these numbers ?Estimated strength of the Dwarves, Elves, and Men:
10,000 Silvan Elves of Mirkwood
7,000 Dwarves of the Iron Hills
3,000 Lake-town Militia (including 1000-1500 Lake-town Civilians)
10 Great Eagles
2 Wizards
1 Beorning
1 Hobbit
Estimated strength of Azog's army:
50,000 Guldur Orcs
25,000 Gundabad Orcs
40 Orc Berserkers
100 Wargs
900 Gundabad Bats
100 Goblin Mercenaries
25-30 Trolls and Olog-hai
12 Ogres
3 Were-worms
Seems about right. Maybe a bit light on compared to the full hosts of say Mordor, or the armies of old, but it's a fair assessment from what we saw in the Hobbit Trilogy.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
60000 shields: (main battle front)
20k from the Stark
30k for the Lannister20000 archers: Combined forces of House Lannister, Stark, Targaryen. (Left at back of main Front)
Roughly 1000 Land Siege Weapons (Catapults, Siege Ballistae (Such as Scorpions), Arbalests, Gate Rams, Trebutchets, ect)
60000 Wildfire Pots.40000 Dothraki Screamers
3000 men for Westeros Cavalry (Starks, Lannisters, etc)25000 Soldiers left on reserve (Comprised of the Unsullied, And other minor houses of Westeros)
1000 Ships of the Iron Fleet
1000 Ships of the combined the Targaryen, Dorne and Reach navies
100000 Wights (minor possible number of dead)
40 dead Mammoths
5 packs of wolves (100 wolves)
150 Giants (dead Giants)
25 White Walkers
1 Undead Dragon2 dragons
Main Characters: Dany, Tyrion, Cercei, Jamie, Euron, Jon, Bran, Night King, and Arya.
That's the estimated force of Season 7. It's not set in stone, as I had to speed watch the forst half of the season (Damn network didn't announce the start of the season for me before playing it) and I may be misremembering aprts of numbers, but this is at leats partially refferenced at the end of season 6 as well, so yeah.
Quite similar to mine but you added the real estimate numbers. I gave them 5000 Dothraki cause I think it is enough to make a butchery.
I don't know if there is gonna be a sea for the ships to be. But if there is then it ADDS to the butchery since those ships have catapults that launch fire balls.
Originally posted by Josh_AlexanderNo sea this is a land only battle. Also where does it say they have this many Giants ? 150 ?
Quite similar to mine but you added the real estimate numbers. I gave them 5000 Dothraki cause I think it is enough to make a butchery.I don't know if there is gonna be a sea for the ships to be. But if there is then it ADDS to the butchery since those ships have catapults that launch fire balls.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I have to go over those with a more detailed manner tomorrow. I told you the problems I had with them prior to this with the golden company and the wildfire.
As I said. There is wilfire, and then Cersei can also order the production of these.
I believe that even without the GC there could certainly be 60k shields on that battlefield.
Originally posted by Josh_AlexanderWhere do these numbers come from though ? I know it exists and they have used it but in seasons past.
As I said. There is wilfire, and then Cersei can also order the production of these.I believe that even without the GC there could certainly be 60k shields on that battlefield.
The Golden Company is out they aren't seen at all.
Originally posted by quanchi112
No sea this is a land only battle. Also where does it say they have this many Giants ? 150 ?
https://www.quora.com/How-many-giants-are-there-in-Game-of-Thrones
I was wrong! Haha there were 100s of Giants in Mance Ryders army.
Chance Ryder once claimed that most Giants as other creatures were dying to the WE. A fair estimation on the number of Giants would be 500-700.
Am giving you 150
yeah, this time I have to agree, the Wildfire has always been beneath King's Landing. It was made by the Alchemists Guild, and placed beneath Kings Landing by order of the Mad King Aerys.
http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Wildfire
The cache below the Great Scept wasn't the only cache. Aerys had it planted below the slums of Fleabottom, below the Great Scept of Baelor, beneath houses, stables and taverns - even beneath the Red Keep itself. Aerys had enough of this stuff to detonate all of Kings Landing. The explosion at the Great Scept , and the Battle of Blackwater were just samples.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Where do these numbers come from though ? I know it exists and they have used it but in seasons past.The Golden Company is out they aren't seen at all.
Remember that 100000 wildfire barrels were found under KingsLanding. When Cersei found these and saw the utility of the weapon in Blackwater bay's battle she order the production of more.
Again 60k IS a considerate number. Just cause I like LoTR
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
yeah, this time I have to agree, the Wildfire has always been beneath King's Landing. It was made by the Alchemists Guild, and placed beneath Kings Landing by order of the Mad King Aerys.http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Wildfire
The cache below the Great Scept wasn't the only cache. Aerys had it planted below the slums of Fleabottom, below the Great Scept of Baelor, beneath houses, stables and taverns - even beneath the Red Keep itself. Aerys had enough of this stuff to detonate all of Kings Landing. The explosion at the Great Scept , and the Battle of Blackwater were just samples.
Yeah.
Originally posted by Josh_AlexanderOk, here's the problem. I am not referencing the entire world of Westeros bs the entire world of Middle Earth only what we see on screen and can be referenced.
https://www.quora.com/How-many-giants-are-there-in-Game-of-ThronesI was wrong! Haha there were 100s of Giants in Mance Ryders army.
Chance Ryder once claimed that most Giants as other creatures were dying to the WE. A fair estimation on the number of Giants would be 500-700.
Am giving you 150
We know there are far more elves, men, orcs, etc. other than what we see in the film.
We haven't seen close to 150 or heard them referenced on the show.
Originally posted by Darkstorm ZeroI am not saying it doesn't exist but I'm trying to limit this to what we see from this season.
yeah, this time I have to agree, the Wildfire has always been beneath King's Landing. It was made by the Alchemists Guild, and placed beneath Kings Landing by order of the Mad King Aerys.http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Wildfire
The cache below the Great Scept wasn't the only cache. Aerys had it planted below the slums of Fleabottom, below the Great Scept of Baelor, beneath houses, stables and taverns - even beneath the Red Keep itself. Aerys had enough of this stuff to detonate all of Kings Landing. The explosion at the Great Scept , and the Battle of Blackwater were just samples.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I am not saying it doesn't exist but I'm trying to limit this to what we see from this season.
It's kinda hard to do that when much of it depends on previous seasons setups. And much of Kings Landing's wildfire exists now. Without having to comission the Alchemists to make more.
Originally posted by Darkstorm ZeroThis is a trial run thing. Primary goal is to revist this idea with all characters from both in a truly massive war but until the final season I want to keep it limited to one season and one film.
It's kinda hard to do that when much of it depends on previous seasons setups. And much of Kings Landing's wildfire exists now. Without having to comission the Alchemists to make more.
Originally posted by quanchi112
This is a trial run thing. Primary goal is to revist this idea with all characters from both in a truly massive war but until the final season I want to keep it limited to one season and one film.
Lol, I'd just throw in the entire series and all 6 Tolkien films into the blender. Then again, as I mentioned, I play strategy games, so I tend to think of armies as biiiiig 😛
That being said though, it would still be remiss of us to exclude the Wildfire. That is a major siege weapon, and perhaps not one to mess with, but it's not an all out gamechanger. Those worms would still screw the Westerosi armies shit in every which way imaginable.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Ok, here's the problem. I am not referencing the entire world of Westeros bs the entire world of Middle Earth only what we see on screen and can be referenced.We know there are far more elves, men, orcs, etc. other than what we see in the film.
We haven't seen close to 150 or heard them referenced on the show.
You've changed things now. That gives a 360 change to the thread. It is then Go t season 7 seen-on-screen troops. That brings the numbers down.
That puts the thread in a check mate.
Make a new thread. Got vs Lott. An easier thread and smoothier.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Lol, I'd just throw in the entire series and all 6 Tolkien films into the blender. Then again, as I mentioned, I play strategy games, so I tend to think of armies as biiiiig 😛That being said though, it would still be remiss of us to exclude the Wildfire. That is a major siege weapon, and perhaps not one to mess with, but it's not an all out gamechanger. Those worms would still screw the Westerosi armies shit in every which way imaginable.
Yeah GOT vs LoTR.
Originally posted by Darkstorm ZeroI can't include the wildfire in this specific thread. But I won't use the worms in an attack like fashion since we didn't see them behave in that manner. To use tunnels use but I won't use them otherwise since we didn't see them portrayed in that manner. That is just how I see things as fair for the purposes of this thread.
Lol, I'd just throw in the entire series and all 6 Tolkien films into the blender. Then again, as I mentioned, I play strategy games, so I tend to think of armies as biiiiig 😛That being said though, it would still be remiss of us to exclude the Wildfire. That is a major siege weapon, and perhaps not one to mess with, but it's not an all out gamechanger. Those worms would still screw the Westerosi armies shit in every which way imaginable.