Originally posted by Josh_AlexanderThat was stated in the op thread. I'm being fair to both sides in the spirit of the thread.
You've changed things now. That gives a 360 change to the thread. It is then Go t season 7 seen-on-screen troops. That brings the numbers down.That puts the thread in a check mate.
Make a new thread. Got vs Lott. An easier thread and smoothier.
I don't want to have that debate until GoT concludes. Many more battles to see and feats to dissect.
Originally posted by quanchi112
That was stated in the op thread. I'm being fair to both sides in the spirit of the thread.I don't want to have that debate until GoT concludes. Many more battles to see and feats to dissect.
Actually not. The thing is that GoT git its main strenght in season 1. Meaning that it doesnt really matter. Many 100s of Thousands dief in the several wara throughtout the seasons. So, it isnt like we are gonna have more troops by season 8. All the opposite...more will die.
You can make the thread now.
No. You didnt stated that. You said GoT season 7. That means all thibgs mentioned and seen on screen. So, youve limmited the thread now.
Ill have to make some adjustments to the troops in that case.
Originally posted by Josh_AlexanderYou will get all troops shown or referenced from the entire series.
Actually not. The thing is that GoT git its main strenght in season 1. Meaning that it doesnt really matter. Many 100s of Thousands dief in the several wara throughtout the seasons. So, it isnt like we are gonna have more troops by season 8. All the opposite...more will die.You can make the thread now.
No. You didnt stated that. You said GoT season 7. That means all thibgs mentioned and seen on screen. So, youve limmited the thread now.
Ill have to make some adjustments to the troops in that case.
They didn't mention that many Giants or show them. Same can be said for the wildfire this season. The golden company hasn't been shown on screen so it's a total guess. I am also not using the worms to attack which would decimate your ranks so quit crying foul. You'll still have the numerical advantage and more dragons. Maybe you lack faith in GoT.
Originally posted by quanchi112
You will get all troops shown or referenced from the entire series.They didn't mention that many Giants or show them. Same can be said for the wildfire this season. The golden company hasn't been shown on screen so it's a total guess. I am also not using the worms to attack which would decimate your ranks so quit crying foul. You'll still have the numerical advantage and more dragons. Maybe you lack faith in GoT.
Yes. Make the other thread.
These are the changes made to the ranks due to your new rules:
Golden company is out.
Wilfire is out.
The number of soldiers still remain the same (As i said i gave a minimun number on the troops, so ill just increase the armies on the different houses to replace the 10k Golden company shields lost)
Everything else renains the same.
Giants are accurately shown. WW were shown to have Giants in their ranks so they remain the SAME.
In addition since you said all seen on screen.
Then ill add 500 boats with Catapults. Fire Catapults.
Dany and Euron's fleet is said to be about 1000+. Am giving 500 to be considerate. You should be able to agree on that.
We will discuss the war when the numbers are agreed on.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Seems about right. Maybe a bit light on compared to the full hosts of say Mordor, or the armies of old, but it's a fair assessment from what we saw in the Hobbit Trilogy.
Darkstorm Zero you can verify the new numbers placed by me right? I think its fair. So Quanchi doesnt think am being unfair.
Originally posted by Josh_AlexanderWhere is your source for the amount of Giants from this season ? This isn't what exists in the world it's what we see, gets referenced (but we need to see an entire army and can't use it if we don't) and can't use the worms on my end for combat purposes since that wasn't shown in the films.
Yes. Make the other thread.These are the changes made to the ranks due to your new rules:
Golden company is out.
Wilfire is out.The number of soldiers still remain the same (As i said i gave a minimun number on the troops, so ill just increase the armies on the different houses to replace the 10k Golden company shields lost)
Everything else renains the same.
Giants are accurately shown. WW were shown to have Giants in their ranks so they remain the SAME.In addition since you said all seen on screen.
Then ill add 500 boats with Catapults. Fire Catapults.
Dany and Euron's fleet is said to be about 1000+. Am giving 500 to be considerate. You should be able to agree on that.
We will discuss the war when the numbers are agreed on.
Way different you get to just add numbers ? You'll at least need a source or a reference. You have multiple armies on top of the dragons and the 100,000 army if the White Walkers but you still don't seem very confident.
Originally posted by Josh_AlexanderWell unless you can verify the Giants shown or references in this season I'm not giving you that many since it's such a high number. Iirc they never mention a number anywhere close to this. This thread all who exist around the time of season seven but those seen and referenced within reason.
Darkstorm Zero you can verify the new numbers placed by me right? I think its fair. So Quanchi doesnt think am being unfair.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Where is your source for the amount of Giants from this season ? This isn't what exists in the world it's what we see, gets referenced (but we need to see an entire army and can't use it if we don't) and can't use the worms on my end for combat purposes since that wasn't shown in the films.Way different you get to just add numbers ? You'll at least need a source or a reference. You have multiple armies on top of the dragons and the 100,000 army if the White Walkers but you still don't seem very confident.
Quanchi!!! I gave you an entire BLOG where the numbers are ACCURATLY statef with evidence and all!! IF YOU WOULD HAVE READ IT youd notice am bringing down my numbers to give you a fair fight!
Again. It wad mentioned in the seasons. We saw SEVERAL Giants with the WW. Does that mean they were the only ones they had? No. In the same way ae didnt saw 100k Dead intheir army. But we were told in th3 same season there were 100s of thousands. I gave you 100k exact!
Besides Dark has also confirmed this numbers.
You can use your worms. I will give you that.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Well unless you can verify the Giants shown or references in this season I'm not giving you that many since it's such a high number. Iirc they never mention a number anywhere close to this. This thread all who exist around the time of season seven but those seen and referenced within reason.
Just Mace Ryder himself had 100. He also said that MOST Giants were killed by the Walkers. Most means majority. Most in matemathics is consider more than twice the number!! So if we consider that there should have been 201+ Giants North of the Wall. So am bringing down the numbers AGAIN.
You are beginning to see how VULNERABLE Bo5A is right? Just give up and make real numbers for the Other Thread.
Originally posted by Josh_AlexanderThat is all who exist iirc at this time in GoT.
Quanchi!!! I gave you an entire BLOG where the numbers are ACCURATLY statef with evidence and all!! IF YOU WOULD HAVE READ IT youd notice am bringing down my numbers to give you a fair fight!Again. It wad mentioned in the seasons. We saw SEVERAL Giants with the WW. Does that mean they were the only ones they had? No. In the same way ae didnt saw 100k Dead intheir army. But we were told in th3 same season there were 100s of thousands. I gave you 100k exact!
Besides Dark has also confirmed this numbers.
You can use your worms. I will give you that.
We hear the number mentioned they have 100 k so that's why they get them. We don't see or hear the numbers referenced for the Giants in this season.
I don't want to use them in war fashion since that's not how they were portrayed. You'd need to reference the numbers of the Giants to get that many. There are a lot more elves, humans, etc. that exist but I'm not including them in this war.
Originally posted by Josh_AlexanderWhen was this confirmed in this season ? We never see more than thirty total from all the seasons so give me a reference or source.
Just Mace Ryder himself had 100. He also said that MOST Giants were killed by the Walkers. Most means majority. Most in matemathics is consider more than twice the number!! So if we consider that there should have been 201+ Giants North of the Wall. So am bringing down the numbers AGAIN.You are beginning to see how VULNERABLE Bo5A is right? Just give up and make real numbers for the Other Thread.
You're just estimating on all who exist which isn't the purpose of the thread.
No, I am seeing how you want to exaggerate the numbers when the thread is about those seen or referenced within reason. You still have a huge numerical and dragon advantage so why would that matter.
Originally posted by quanchi112
That is all who exist iirc at this time in GoT.We hear the number mentioned they have 100 k so that's why they get them. We don't see or hear the numbers referenced for the Giants in this season.
I don't want to use them in war fashion since that's not how they were portrayed. You'd need to reference the numbers of the Giants to get that many. There are a lot more elves, humans, etc. that exist but I'm not including them in this war.
But they were nit mentioned...your elfs etc.
My Giants were mentioned in the previous seasons. We saw Giants in the Opening scene of this season. That means they are there. And there is no need to assume that the numbers mentioned in the previous seasons are UNACCURATE or arent there anymore.
Will see what Dark says about this.
Either way i will rise the number of shilds if i bring dow the number of Giants. Cause i deducted the troops A LOT.
Originally posted by Josh_AlexanderI am only including the elves shown on screen not all the ones I know exist. The same applies for you and your side. Previous scenes do not count. Just as previous films do not count. That's the problem you're reaching to alter the rules to include more than just this season alone. We see some not the numbers you're claiming. Previous seasons don't matter just as previous films for me don't matter.
But they were nit mentioned...your elfs etc.My Giants were mentioned in the previous seasons. We saw Giants in the Opening scene of this season. That means they are there. And there is no need to assume that the numbers mentioned in the previous seasons are UNACCURATE or arent there anymore.
Will see what Dark says about this.
Either way i will rise the number of shilds if i bring dow the number of Giants. Cause i deducted the troops A LOT.
We have to come to an agreement before we can proceed.
I am not being unfair here.
Originally posted by Josh_AlexanderBy this season alone we are outnumbered. I agree but I'm not giving you access to other seasons just because that doesn't make this fair and then opens the door for me to do so. We will have to wait until the season eight finale to do a complete war from start to finish.
Why dont you admit your troops outnumbered. If i were to use official numbers you would be outnumbered by twice or more. Right niw you are outnumbered by 1.4 maybe.
Originally posted by quanchi112
When was this confirmed in this season ? We never see more than thirty total from all the seasons so give me a reference or source.You're just estimating on all who exist which isn't the purpose of the thread.
No, I am seeing how you want to exaggerate the numbers when the thread is about those seen or referenced within reason. You still have a huge numerical and dragon advantage so why would that matter.
Where did they go then!? They are either alive or marching along the dead! Am giving you fair numbers. Dark gave you similar numbers! Am the opposite of exaggerating.
Will give you 40 giants, but then i shall increase the frontline to 70k shields. That is the official convined forces of Lannisters and Starks for season 7. The website i gave you proved that.
Originally posted by Josh_AlexanderI am not saying they don't exist I am saying you only have access to those from season seven alone not others you can prove exist. My rational is the same for the wildfire you're trying to bring him from previous seasons.
Where did they go then!? They are either alive or marching along the dead! Am giving you fair numbers. Dark gave you similar numbers! Am the opposite of exaggerating.Will give you 40 giants, but then i shall increase the frontline to 70k shields. That is the official convined forces of Lannisters and Starks for season 7. The website i gave you proved that.
I don't think I've seen more than ten Giants this season tbh. Do you feel they showed more than ten ?
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
60000 shields: (main battle front)
20k from the Stark
30k for the Lannister20000 archers: Combined forces of House Lannister, Stark, Targaryen. (Left at back of main Front)
Roughly 1000 Land Siege Weapons (Catapults, Siege Ballistae (Such as Scorpions), Arbalests, Gate Rams, Trebutchets, ect)
60000 Wildfire Pots.40000 Dothraki Screamers
3000 men for Westeros Cavalry (Starks, Lannisters, etc)25000 Soldiers left on reserve (Comprised of the Unsullied, And other minor houses of Westeros)
1000 Ships of the Iron Fleet
1000 Ships of the combined the Targaryen, Dorne and Reach navies
100000 Wights (minor possible number of dead)
40 dead Mammoths
5 packs of wolves (100 wolves)
150 Giants (dead Giants)
25 White Walkers
1 Undead Dragon2 dragons
Main Characters: Dany, Tyrion, Cercei, Jamie, Euron, Jon, Bran, Night King, and Arya.
That's the estimated force of Season 7. It's not set in stone, as I had to speed watch the forst half of the season (Damn network didn't announce the start of the season for me before playing it) and I may be misremembering aprts of numbers, but this is at leats partially refferenced at the end of season 6 as well, so yeah.
See Quanchi he agrees on my number of Giants.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I am not saying they don't exist I am saying you only have access to those from season seven alone not others you can prove exist. My rational is the same for the wildfire you're trying to bring him from previous seasons.I don't think I've seen more than ten Giants this season tbh. Do you feel they showed more than ten ?
Okay just cause you insist.
50 giants. Cause you are stubborn. AND DONT EVEN THINK I WILL REDUCE THAT MORE.
65000 Shields in the front line.
Everything remains the same.
And we have 500 boats.