Captain America (Steve Rogers)

If Captain America is a 50 on a scale of 100 in pure fighting skill where do these fall?

Richard Dragon
Karate Kid
Iron Fist
Wonder Women
Gamora
Thor Odinson
Orion
Ra's al Ghul
Red Skull
Aquaman
Namor
Ben Grim
Lady Shiva
Mantis
DC Ares
Marvel Ares

Originally posted by Gadabout

Thor Odinson

You must have forgotten to hit enter. These are two completely different characters. Smh.

For real (reeel)? Just trying to be clear on it being current son of Odin Thor... go with Odinson then?

Why didn't you include Batman on the list?

Because when it comes to measuring Bat's fighting skill. To putit one way.....

[QUOTE=16328049]Originally posted by Gadabout
[B]If Captain America is a 50 on a scale of 100 in pure fighting skill where do these fall?

Richard Dragon - 100
Karate Kid - Off the scale.
Iron Fist - 100
Wonder Women - 45
Gamora - 46
Thor Odinson - 40
Orion - 50
Ra's al Ghul - 60
Red Skull - 49
Aquaman - 20
Namor - 10
Ben Grim - 5
Lady Shiva - 100
Mantis - Off the scale (**** Moondragon)
DC Ares - 50
Marvel Ares - Dunno.

Richard Dragon 100
Karate Kid 1,000,000,000,000,000.....
Iron Fist 100
Wonder Woman 40
Gamora 40
Thor Odinson 35
Orion 20
Ra's al Ghul 10
Red Skull 10
Aquaman 35
Namor 35
Ben Grim 35
Lady Shiva 100
Mantis 100

Rounding off here.
If numbers match for characters i mean theyre in the same tier. I could break those particular characters down further, but this is good enough for thread purposes.
Ditched the 2 Ares characters, dont know them well enough.

hrm. proof dragon is literally TWICE as good as cap....? he MAY be a better fighter but he was getting rocked by bronze tiger at one point iirc. not buying he's anything more than a 60 at best--not without some definite proof. and IF is twice as good too?? seriously? can't quite recall what happened when cap and danny actually fought that one time..... oh, yeah i do. cap kicked his ass without really even trying before taking a fist to the shield. 😐

some versions of KK could maybe be 100. no one else on that list is even CLOSE to twice as good as steve. but i'd love to see scans that support the idea.

Originally posted by leonidas
hrm. proof dragon is literally TWICE as good as cap....? he MAY be a better fighter but he was getting rocked by bronze tiger at one point iirc. not buying he's anything more than a 60 at best--not without some definite proof. and IF is twice as good too?? seriously? can't quite recall what happened when cap and danny actually fought that one time..... oh, yeah i do. cap kicked his ass without really even trying before taking a fist to the shield. 😐

some versions of KK could maybe be 100. no one else on that list is even CLOSE to twice as good as steve. but i'd love to see scans that support the idea.

I have to agree with you Leo, except with Mantis, she is or should be well ahead of Cap.

Originally posted by leonidas
hrm. proof dragon is literally TWICE as good as cap....? he MAY be a better fighter but he was getting rocked by bronze tiger at one point iirc. not buying he's anything more than a 60 at best--not without some definite proof. and IF is twice as good too?? seriously? can't quite recall what happened when cap and danny actually fought that one time..... oh, yeah i do. cap kicked his ass without really even trying before taking a fist to the shield. 😐

some versions of KK could maybe be 100. no one else on that list is even CLOSE to twice as good as steve. but i'd love to see scans that support the idea.

He was well above Tiger, Tiger himself admitted as much. He was only knocking some sense into Richard, they weren't fighting for real.

When he was serious, he matched Shiva (Who could merc Cap), and only got killed because he hesitated to kill her.

again, what proof is there that shiva would merc cap? she can't merc batman and cap is most certainly, 100% in bat's class.

@stoic--i'd disagree with mantis too. she's good, better even maybe, but twice as good as cap? not imo. /shrug

Originally posted by leonidas
again, what proof is there that shiva would merc cap? she can't merc batman and cap is most certainly, 100% in bat's class.

@stoic--i'd disagree with mantis too. she's good, better even maybe, but twice as good as cap? not imo. /shrug

Originally posted by leonidas
[B]hrm. proof dragon is literally TWICE as good as cap....?

The below scan is Iron Fist's first meeting with Cap:

IF's assessment of Cap in the last panel is the important part towards my POV.
Cap's technique is basic.
His overall physical stats though, make that basic technique more than enough in most cases.

Technique (skill) is what's being rated here.

Originally posted by abhilegend

cool scene. sounds like a thanos-esque retcon where we assume any loss she had was because she was "playing some roll". by that reasoning do we assume she is >>>cassie and dragon too? definitely a good showing but i'd love to see the rematch. bats has had his a$$ handed to him several times, but usually makes up for it in the next showing. not enough for me to say she is TWICE as good as cap/bats, at least not without more proof. /shrug

Cassie was established as >>> Batman.

Bruce himself admitted it.

"What would you have done if you fought her for real?"

"...I'd lose."

Originally posted by Gadabout
If Captain America is a 50 on a scale of 100 in pure fighting skill where do these fall?

Richard Dragon....60-perhaps
Karate Kid...toon level...so unrateable
Iron Fist....50
Wonder Women....40
Gamora....60
Thor Odinson.... 45/I've never understood why comics don"t make "immortals" who have been training and fighting for thousands of years at a much higher skill level than "mortals"

Orion....?
Ra's al Ghul...40
Red Skull....35
Aquaman.....30
Namor....25
Ben Grim....30
Lady Shiva....60
Mantis....50/though I could rate her higher...it's many years since I've read anything about her
DC Ares...20/same thoughts as with Thor
Marvel Ares....30 see above

Originally posted by leonidas
cool scene.

Originally posted by riv6672
The below scan is Iron Fist's first meeting with Cap:

IF's assessment of Cap in the last panel is the important part towards my POV.
Cap's technique is basic.
His overall physical stats though, make that basic technique more than enough in most cases.

Technique (skill) is what's being rated here.

Originally posted by riv6672
I'm judging on pure skill.
There's no doubt in my mind Dragon's more technically skilled than Cap, hence the rating.
Cap brings more than just skill to an actual fight though.
The SS puts him on a higher level than/even level with physically normal humans who are better fighters.

The below scan is Iron Fist's first meeting with Cap:

IF's assessment of Cap in the last panel is the important part towards my POV.
Cap's technique is basic.
His overall physical stats though, make that basic technique more than enough in most cases.

Technique (skill) is what's being rated here.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11114/111142050/4444930-7526792619-iNPBS.png

cap effortlessly took out that guy who was possessed of every h2h technique in the world. his technique CAN be basic, but he has been shown to be a technical master of many techniques through his career as well. and his speed and strength factor into his ability to be a great h2h opponent.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11123/111237843/4929041-3908691102-capta.jpg

even bp has commented on the fact that cap can adapt to every fighting style in the world. he has tons of nerve point and pressure point showings as well showing clear mastery of martial skills that are anything but basic. using a singular showing to base these ratings on doesn't seem to make much sense to me. /shrug

You didnt negate my point.
His adaptation is due to the SS.
Taking out that guy is due to superior physical stats, the SS.

Pure skill wise, he's not as technical as Dragon.
Thanks for responding after i egged you in a bit though. 👆

So is Cap essentially like Superman of the streets then?