Originally posted by cdtm
Hah.That may be true, but doesn't make much sense when you consider Shangs been literally training all his life, while Cap spent a good amount of time on ice.
Anyways, when they sparred last, Cap made mention of suffering broken bones..
Originally posted by riv6672
Exactly.
It has to be backed up by what we see in story. Or dont see, in Cap's case, which is a lifetime of MA training. 👆
Yeah but din't forget, he's also got enhanced brain functions because of the serium. He doesn't need to study for years and years. In fact it's also been specifically noted by Kang that when he was training for zero grav combat that he was intuitively learning techniques in either hours or days(I honestly can't remember which) that it took others years to master.
and beast backed that up saying he masters any weapon in seconds, and bp admitted he adapts to any fighting style immediately.
this is because he didn't have a life time of training? lol what the hell does THAT matter. the only thing that matters is what takes place on panel. the ONLY person i ever saw purely 'out skill' cap was moondragon and that was when weak was suffering from the serum going wrong and was a complete feeb. LOVE to see a scan supporting the idea that these guys are more skilled than he is. been waiting now for 3 pages and still haven't seen anything--at least nothing remotely close to supporting some of the stances i've seen. unlike a few people here, i'm open to having my mind changed--i just need to see proof. i've shown some defending my stance--waiting for the other side.
Originally posted by leonidas
and beast backed that up saying he masters any weapon in seconds, and bp admitted he adapts to any fighting style immediately.this is because he didn't have a life time of training? lol what the hell does THAT matter. the only thing that matters is what takes place on panel. the ONLY person i ever saw purely 'out skill' cap was moondragon and that was when weak was suffering from the serum going wrong and was a complete feeb. LOVE to see a scan supporting the idea that these guys are more skilled than he is. been waiting now for 3 pages and still haven't seen anything--at least nothing remotely close to supporting some of the stances i've seen. unlike a few people here, i'm open to having my mind changed--i just need to see proof. i've shown some defending my stance--waiting for the other side.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Yeah but din't forget, he's also got enhanced brain functions because of the serium. He doesn't need to study for years and years. In fact it's also been specifically noted by Kang that when he was training for zero grav combat that he was intuitively learning techniques in either hours or days(I honestly can't remember which) that it took others years to master.
Well, that settles it.
Cap is Marvels Superman and Batman combined. 😛
At least in Bats case, holding his own with Val Armorr in zero g combat is clear cut, inarguable PIS.. Though that doeen't stop some from citing that "feat" (Do they also argue Spiderman beating Firelord does not fit the definition of Spiderman vs Firelord" in the rules, I wonder? 😈 )
Originally posted by CosmicComet
I don't like bald chicks but I gotta say Moondragon always did something for me.
Originally posted by darthgoober
...Someone with human level strength being manhandled by the Thing isn't exactly "low".
Again, just one of those agree/disagree situations.
Was a fun conversation though. 👆
Originally posted by leonidas
and beast backed that up saying he masters any weapon in seconds, and bp admitted he adapts to any fighting style immediately.this is because he didn't have a life time of training? lol what the hell does THAT matter. the only thing that matters is what takes place on panel. the ONLY person i ever saw purely 'out skill' cap was moondragon and that was when weak was suffering from the serum going wrong and was a complete feeb. LOVE to see a scan supporting the idea that these guys are more skilled than he is. been waiting now for 3 pages and still haven't seen anything--at least nothing remotely close to supporting some of the stances i've seen. unlike a few people here, i'm open to having my mind changed--i just need to see proof. i've shown some defending my stance--waiting for the other side.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWand taskmaster has a point of reference for this how?
According to Taskmaster, Steve was at his best during the war.Same Steve bitched Extremis Tony, too.
Cap was definitely less skilled, undeniably less experienced, and didn't truly grow as a martial artist until after the war.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
According to Taskmaster, Steve was at his best during the war.Same Steve bitched Extremis Tony, too.
Taskmasters a jobber. 😛
You can go across Cap and Bat Family history and find plenty of eyebrow raising feats (Just recently after Darkseid War, these metal dog like things were dodging Barry "I see f'n attoseconds" Allen, then Batman punch's one square in the nose. Barry asks "HOW DID YOU DO THAT?!??", and Bats smugly says "You need to hit them where they're going to be." 😱