Originally posted by FrothByte
1. So in short, the only proof you have are vids of Wolverine dodging some hits, blocking some hits, then tanking the others. Right?Let me repeat something to you that I've been saying from the start: He tries to block hits here, he'll get his claws or arms cut off.
2. If you want to claim that Wolverine can completely duck and dodge all hits thrown his way then that's the kind of feat that you need to provide. Not some vid where he dodges some and then blocks and tanks the rest. Does this seem like an impossible request? Of course it is. You know why? Because Wolverine just does not fight like that. He has never needed to do so due to his healing powers which means he would have never needed to develop the necessary speed and skill do so.
3. What you are saying is that Wolverine will be able, without any prior training or feat or experience, to automatically develop a new fighting style with a new set of skills. Basically what you're asking is for Wolverine to fight like a completely different person.
4. Have you ever tried sparring with swords? Because I have. And for some reason you keep neglecting the reach the longswords will give the knights. A slow-ish longsword with a long reach is far harder to deal with than a fast short sword. A knife is ridiculously fast. Do you think a knife fighter has the advantage against someone with a longsword just because it's faster?
Wolverine will need to close the distance against 3 knights with longer weapons, manage to hit weak spots in their armor strong enough to incapacitate them, and do all that without taking a serious hit.
5. Wolverine maybe faster than them individually but he just isn't that fast nor is he that skilled.
1. He dodges attacks that are shown to be far faster than GoT swords attacks. That's all I need. He doesn't need to block slow ass sword strikes as he can simply either dodge the attack, duck under them to attack the legs or catch the arm on the downswing (w/c he's done on screen). All of which he has already been shown to do vs sword users. What else do I need?
He doesn't need to be shown to do it all the time. He just needs to be able to do it. You don't have to accept it, but the evidence is there.
2. The video I showed had him tanking zero sword hits from anyone other than the lead ninja. He defended against every sword attack thrown his way from the rest. It shows that he can fight defensively when needed.
He blocked the attacks because he can. Doesn't mean he can't dodge them if he can't block. Especially when he's shown to be able to do so on other occasions. What is so hard to understand here?
Again, he's done all this successfully against faster attacks.
3. What new fighting style? Being able to dodge/duck against sword attacks? He's done that. Attack vulnerable legs/arms? Done that, too. Topple his opponents? Done that as well.
So what new fighting style are you talking about here?
4. I've trained in Arnis (you know it more as Kali around the US) for 2 years, so I've held and sparred with and against weapons, yes. What's your point?
Reach is a huge advantage, sure. But it's not as if it can't be circumvented. And it's not as if we haven't seen Wolverine circumvent it (without resorting to blocking). It's on screen, thus he can do it. He's done it from guns to swords to long daggers. Again, on screen, thus he can do it.
And why are you thinking he can't parry/block sword strikes at all? Leveraged, powerful slashes would no doubt cut his claws, sure. But he can dodge, duck or roll away from those. But short/weaker thrusts or slashes can be deflected by his claws (it'll maybe chip the claws, sure but he has 3 per hand and they grow back).
And daggers vs longsword isn't as clear cut as you think:
https://youtu.be/CFqXkYdAFXs
or this:
https://youtu.be/QvZQR_qIGvg
Those dual daggers would work like Wolverine's dual bone claws.
And he doesn't need to incapacitate them in one hit. He can wound them and simply let them bleed out. I mean a simple thigh or bicep stab is enough to end the fight for any of them (King's Guard armor have pretty open leg/bicep protection) as they would practically be ineffective at that point. While they would need a full on direct center mass hit or decap to stop Wolverine. Any other blow would be meaningless as he'd just need to step back to heal. I mean you've fought with a sword before, how hard is it to land a direct clean full leverage center mass hit when your opponent is so much faster than you?
This comes down to this: Will someone who is faster, possibly stronger and clearly more skillful opponent with shorter weapons who only needs to do (minor damage to eventually win) beat 3 slower, less skilled opponents who would need to score a direct clean hit to win?
And it's not as if the armor makes them immune to attack, as per the pic I posted, it doesn't look like their arms and legs are armored. As per the vids I showed, Wolverine attacking the legs is actually kinda common throughout the movie.
5. I really, really disagree here. Altho, our perception of his skill level is subjective. Wolverine has shown too many instances of how skilled and agile he is and I've already posted video evidence. Up to you if you ignore them.
I mean look at how slow and lumbering this is:
https://youtu.be/tDjq-i0jFDw
0:15-0:39
You seriously think either of them would score a direct hit on Wolverine?