The Mountain, The Hound and Jaime vs. Wolverine

Originally posted by omgchos
Na im with you for most of it. Its just that hes sans adamantium. And this is Jaime lanister were talking about even within the show when he was starved and completely out of practice he went toe to toe with brienne. we know brienne has beaten both the hound and the lorris and is there fore a very skilled fighter. Im not saying its an instant victory. We know logan can take alot of punishment even when hes not at full healing factor. Fighting JUST one of the cleganes maybe, fighting 2 cleganes hes still got a chance, but throw in the prodigy that is jaime lannister and i dont see how he can pull through.

The problem is still the slowness of the entire cinematic universe. Brienne got 2-moved by Arya (a smaller, weaker, slower, less skilled, less powerful, less reach sword fighter with an even more fragile weapon than Wolvie's bone claws) and even seemingly "lost" the practice duel to her when it seemed like she was going mostly serious (or maybe she just likes to grunt, I dunno), all from the virtue of Arya's supposed speed (w/c is, again, slower than Wolverine or his opponents, even the fodder ones) and unconventional fighting style (duh Wolverine).

It's not gonna be easy, no doubt. Even I will admit that Wolverine is not doing this easily and may well lose. But the idea that this will be a "massacre" or that he would "have no options" is ludicrous. Wolverine has options and has solid advantages that may tip the fight in his favor:

-His superior speed and mobility will dictate the pace of the fight as well as the points of engagement (this is a HUGE deal as this would mean he can go 2v1 or 1v1 instead of 3v1 if he plays his cards right).
-His superior skill will allow him to score hits against the slower opponents while simply avoiding Jamie (the Mountain is huge so all he has to do is put the -Mountain between himself and Jamie/Hound).
-Injuries will not slow him down. While even minor cuts will weaken his opponents.
-Armor weighs them down, slows them down somewhat and makes them exert 2x the effort just to move. Time is on Wolverine's side.
-He does not need to score a killshot to win. Just minor stabs to the arms and legs is enough. They need to hit him square on with a decap or dismemberment attack (w/c is not only hard to do against a moving opponent, but from the videos shown, they telegraph this and execute this slow AF and it would be easy for Wolverine to avoid these)

If Wolverine fights stupid, sure he'll lose. No doubt about it. I've provided proof, however, that he is not stupid.
If Wolverine fights smart, dictating the pace of the fight and performs hit and run (something he, as well as everyone, is capable of) or fights defensively (something he's done when facing multiple opponents via the video I showed), then he has a good chance of injuring one or 2 down before even getting tagged, and as long as the injury isn't a full decap or dismemberment, then it is his fight to lose.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
The problem is still the slowness of the entire cinematic universe. Brienne got 2-moved by Arya (a smaller, weaker, slower, less skilled, less powerful, less reach sword fighter with an even more fragile weapon than Wolvie's bone claws) and even seemingly "lost" the practice duel to her when it seemed like she was going mostly serious (or maybe she just likes to grunt, I dunno), all from the virtue of Arya's supposed speed (w/c is, again, slower than Wolverine or his opponents, even the fodder ones) and unconventional fighting style (duh Wolverine).

It's not gonna be easy, no doubt. Even I will admit that Wolverine is not doing this easily and may well lose. But the idea that this will be a "massacre" or that he would "have no options" is ludicrous. Wolverine has options and has solid advantages that may tip the fight in his favor:

-His superior speed and mobility will dictate the pace of the fight as well as the points of engagement (this is a HUGE deal as this would mean he can go 2v1 or 1v1 instead of 3v1 if he plays his cards right).
-His superior skill will allow him to score hits against the slower opponents while simply avoiding Jamie (the Mountain is huge so all he has to do is put the -Mountain between himself and Jamie/Hound).
-Injuries will not slow him down. While even minor cuts will weaken his opponents.
-Armor weighs them down, slows them down somewhat and makes them exert 2x the effort just to move. Time is on Wolverine's side.
-He does not need to score a killshot to win. Just minor stabs to the arms and legs is enough. They need to hit him square on with a decap or dismemberment attack (w/c is not only hard to do against a moving opponent, but from the videos shown, they telegraph this and execute this slow AF and it would be easy for Wolverine to avoid these)

If Wolverine fights stupid, sure he'll lose. No doubt about it. I've provided proof, however, that he is not stupid.
If Wolverine fights smart, dictating the pace of the fight and performs hit and run (something he, as well as everyone, is capable of) or fights defensively (something he's done when facing multiple opponents via the video I showed), then he has a good chance of injuring one or 2 down before even getting tagged, and as long as the injury isn't a full decap or dismemberment, then it is his fight to lose.

Originally posted by omgchos
Like i said im mostly with you. Just not all the way lol.

So long as we agree that Wolverine doesn't fight only one way and that he has solid options/advantages that may make him win, then we good. 😛

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Let's get one thing straight here: I debate for the fun of it. I do not "support" characters like "some" fanboys out there (thus I am also prone to support characters that may or may not be at a disadvatage, cuz who likes to do something that has no challenge?). I'm here because I am bored. So you might want to cut down on the accusations, kiddo.

Look Kiddo! I was being general Kiddo! I wasn't necessarily taking about you kiddo!

HAHAHAHA.

I also reply cause am bored. I respect your opinion, although i don't share that wolverine is a dodger. I was raised seeing Wolverine block anything with those Adamantium claws. Wolverine isn't Wolverine for dodging and evading things. Wolverine is a Tank which can take any mother****er face on....But since they gave him bones instead of Adamantium in this thread, i can't support one of may favorite Comic Heroes.

So Kiddo! This Kiddo can't support his Superhero cause this Kiddo doesn't believe Wolverine with Bones is enough to kill Three good swordsmen kiddo! So stop judging this Kiddo Kiddo! 🤣

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Look Kiddo! I was being general Kiddo! I wasn't necessarily taking about you kiddo!

HAHAHAHA.

I also reply cause am bored. I respect your opinion, although i don't share that wolverine is a dodger. I was raised seeing Wolverine block anything with those Adamantium claws. Wolverine isn't Wolverine for dodging and evading things. Wolverine is a Tank which can take any mother****er face on....But since they gave him bones instead of Adamantium in this thread, i can't support one of may favorite Comic Heroes.

So Kiddo! This Kiddo can't support his Superhero cause this Kiddo doesn't believe Wolverine with Bones is enough to kill Three good swordsmen kiddo! So stop judging this Kiddo Kiddo! 🤣

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
IK but the guy keeps saying he will....Its life, there is lots of unreasonable people out there. Specially those which support their idols instead of reason.

Ok, you've gone and went full liar mode now or just someone who can't write for crap. You specifically mentioned me first and then followed it with an accusatory statement (albeit an attempt to make it a generalized passive aggresive one but even an idiot would know that the paragraph structure heavily implies that it was primarily aimed at me).

I usually give newbies a chance when it comes to debating in these forums. But it looks like you're just some socktroll after all. I'm done with the likes of you.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Ok, you've gone and went full liar mode now or just someone who can't write for crap. You specifically mentioned me first and then followed it with an accusatory statement (albeit an attempt to make it a generalized passive aggresive one but even an idiot would know that the paragraph structure heavily implies that it was primarily aimed at me).

I usually give newbies a chance when it comes to debating in thes e forums. But it looks like you're just some socktroll after all. I'm done with the likes of you.

Hahaha okay i admit it i lied! I just wanted to retract myself.

Lol you are not as much as other guys. But honestly you are unreasonable by saying Wolverine will dodge all blows like if he was flash or daredevil.

But again i respect your opinion. I also give newbies the oportunity to debate me. But i wont debate unreasonable people. People who arent willing tomreach a middle ground.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Hahaha okay i admit it i lied! I just wanted to retract myself.

Lol you are not as much as other guys. But honestly you are unreasonable by saying Wolverine will dodge all blows like if he was flash or daredevil.

But again i respect your opinion. I also give newbies the oportunity to debate me. But i wont debate unreasonable people. People who arent willing tomreach a middle ground.

Lying in a forum does not look good for your credibility on future debates, y'know. Credibility is important in a medium where none of us really knows each other personally. You might wanna think about that in the future.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
[B]Bone wolverine gets massacred! [/B]

Is not "middle ground" debating, btw. It is adapting a position where only your point/logic is acceptable to you as you are not open to listening to and accepting your opposition's points and you simply dismiss them all outright.

This is what adapting a "middle ground position" looks like:

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Like I said, not saying it's going to be easy for Wolverine (and I'm open to arguments that point out that he loses and am have not even made up my mind that he wi

It places your argument at the fore yet allows for some flexibility in accepting your opponents views should they disprove your own assertions or at least be respectful enough to allow such arguments to be heard before drawing a conclusion.

Just some tips from a old debater.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Lying in a forum does not look good for your credibility on future debates, y'know. Credibility is important in a medium where none of us really knows each other personally. You might wanna think about that in the future.

Is not "middle ground" debating, btw. It is adapting a position where only your point/logic is acceptable to you as you are not open to listening to and accepting your opposition's points and you simply dismiss them all outright.

This is what adapting a "middle ground position" looks like:

It places your argument at the fore yet allows for some flexibility in accepting your opponents views should they disprove your own assertions or at least be respectful enough to allow such arguments to be heard before drawing a conclusion.

Just some tips from a old debater.

Okay i apologize. I didnt saw the importance behind an insignificant reply which isnt even part of the discussion. It was a personal comment, so i decided rather to lie than to take things personal. I dont like to take things personal in debates. Dont take me wrong though, i never lie in my points when debating.

Middle ground is a point in where both sides agree to be in. Call it adapting a position or being flexible. Its just different words. I am a flexible debater, but i wont be flexible if my counterpart isnt.

Thanks for the advice, its always appreciated.

An advice of my own, when you choose a side to support in a debate, always choose the side with more points in favour. It makes it easier to defend your decision.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
An advice of my own, when you choose a side to support in a debate, always choose the side with more points in favour. It makes it easier to defend your decision.

In debating club, we didn't always chose the positions we ourselves personally took. Nor is it necessary for you to always have to agree with something you debate for. For as long as the points you make are honest.

How are the points not in Wolverine's favor?

You're completely ignoring -

How ploddingly slow GoT characters are in general.
How extremely slow Hound and Mountain are.
How easy it is to actually cut those three while in their armor(Oberyn sliced Gregor up easily. Jaime's uniform has his arms and legs covered in maybe hardened leather, but nothing to stop Logan from stabbing Jaime and flinging him like a rag doll(he's done that too).
Etc etc etc...

It might not be easy, but the fight ends with all three GoT people dead and Logan injured, pissed as hell, but fine.

Originally posted by KingD19
How are the points not in Wolverine's favor?

You're completely ignoring -

How ploddingly slow GoT characters are in general.
How extremely slow Hound and Mountain are.
How easy it is to actually cut those three while in their armor(Oberyn sliced Gregor up easily. Jaime's uniform has his arms and legs covered in maybe hardened leather, but nothing to stop Logan from stabbing Jaime and flinging him like a rag doll(he's done that too).
Etc etc etc...

It might not be easy, but the fight ends with all three GoT people dead and Logan injured, pissed as hell, but fine.

I have given my points way before, give yourself the task of reading the previous pages before commenting. Inform yourself of the situation.

The situation? You mean you having Night King as your signature flipping your GoT fanboy switch to the "On" position?

Yeah I know what it is. I also know you have not once in any thread given any feats, video evidence, or stated/documented facts to solidify your argument. You literally say, "Nuh uh GoT will win because this, because that". Then you never prove it and expect us to accept your word as gospel. At this point you're literally a yelling h1a8. At least he gives us the somewhat courtesy of pretending to have points to make.

Originally posted by KingD19
The situation? You mean you having Night King as your signature flipping your GoT fanboy switch to the "On" position?

Yeah I know what it is. I also know you have not once in any thread given any feats, video evidence, or stated/documented facts to solidify your argument. You literally say, "Nuh uh GoT will win because this, because that". Then you never prove it and expect us to accept your word as gospel. At this point you're literally a yelling h1a8. At least he gives us the somewhat courtesy of pretending to have points to make.

Look am not gonna repeat myself all over.

If you arent interested in reading the previous replies and inform yourself then get the hell out of here.

I am not a man which wastes its time on newbies.

“Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.”

- George Carlin

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Look am not gonna repeat myself all over.

If you arent interested in reading the previous replies and inform yourself then get the hell out of here.

I am not a man which wastes its time on newbies.

How am I a newbie exactly? I've been debating here for years. You just popped up...a month or two ago? Or is this a sock account of someone we know? Either way you're an idiot, like Stealth said hahah.

He sounds like BeyonderGod. Except butthurt isn't his favourite buzzword

Originally posted by Nibedicus

-His superior speed and mobility will dictate the pace of the fight as well as the points of engagement (this is a HUGE deal as this would mean he can go 2v1 or 1v1 instead of 3v1 if he plays his cards right).
-His superior skill will allow him to score hits against the slower opponents while simply avoiding Jamie (the Mountain is huge so all he has to do is put the -Mountain between himself and Jamie/Hound).
-Injuries will not slow him down. While even minor cuts will weaken his opponents.
-Armor weighs them down, slows them down somewhat and makes them exert 2x the effort just to move. Time is on Wolverine's side.
-He does not need to score a killshot to win. Just minor stabs to the arms and legs is enough. They need to hit him square on with a decap or dismemberment attack (w/c is not only hard to do against a moving opponent, but from the videos shown, they telegraph this and execute this slow AF and it would be easy for Wolverine to avoid these).

It's not like the exact thing was done to a fully armored GoT knight, by a smaller, faster, unarmored opponent, in almost the exact manner u'r describing.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NN30YMzja6Y

Originally posted by StealthRanger
“Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.”

- George Carlin

Very wise words. I always take them into consideration

Originally posted by KingD19
How am I a newbie exactly? I've been debating here for years. You just popped up...a month or two ago? Or is this a sock account of someone we know? Either way you're an idiot, like Stealth said hahah.

You are have been here for years? WELL it doesnt look like NEWBIE.

Like all noobs, cursing is their only defence. Nooob.

Wolverine stomps.