Originally posted by Rebel95
You have to look at the quality of the feats though not just the quantity. Obviously Jon has a lot since he's one of the main characters
None of these others have ever fought anything as dangerous as a white walker. What opponents have the others fought that are better "quality" than the opponents Jon has fought?
Originally posted by Ursumeles
White Walkers are only so dangerous because you can't beat them without Valyrian steel, and because their really strong. Other than that, they aren't all that skilled.
Again I ask, which opponents have the others fouģht that make them more dangerous than the ones Jon fought?
Originally posted by FrothByte
What makes you think bronn, brienne and jamie are better than Jon?
Jon has trouble with dirty fighters meaning Bronn has a clear advantage.
Brienne beat several anointed knights in the melee that won her place by Renley's side. These were men that trained all their lives with a master at arms like Jon. Jon OTTH has mostly fought untrained wildlings with inferior weapons and armor, or undead with no weapons at all
With Jaime it's mostly hype if I'm being honest. I'm actually starting to think I ride his nuts a little too hard now
Originally posted by FrothByteBrienne stomped two kingsguards, Jaime fought Ned & Brienne, and Bronn was able to carve through soldiers like butter, and he beat the seemingly best knight in the Vale.
Again I ask, which opponents have the others fouģht that make them more dangerous than the ones Jon fought?
Originally posted by juggerman
Jon has trouble with dirty fighters meaning Bronn has a clear advantage.Brienne beat several anointed knights in the melee that won her place by Renley's side. These were men that trained all their lives with a master at arms like Jon. Jon OTTH has mostly fought untrained wildlings with inferior weapons and armor, or undead with no weapons at all
With Jaime it's mostly hype if I'm being honest. I'm actually starting to think I ride his nuts a little too hard now
I don't think Jon really has problems with dirty fighters anymore - sure, he had problems with Karl, but he learned from him. He isn't too honorable anymore, either - he spit Styr in the face.
That's not Brienne's best feat, just sayin'.
Nah. The problem in GoT/ASOIAF vs is that many chars barely have feats - but we know that Jaime is >>> Beric, for example, as ASOIAF is about more than feats. I mean, for example, compare what GRRM said about Jaime - "one of the greatest swordsmen of all time" and Ned - "he's a average fighter". I mean, Ned might have more feats (he doesn't, but let's assume he does); but we know that Jaime is far better regardless.
Originally posted by Ursumeles
Sorry for responding to every ****ing post, but I need to point a few things out.I don't think Jon really has problems with dirty fighters anymore - sure, he had problems with Karl, but he learned from him. He isn't too honorable anymore, either - he spit Styr in the face.
That's not Brienne's best feat, just sayin'.
Nah. The problem in GoT/ASOIAF vs is that many chars barely have feats - but we know that Jaime is >>> Beric, for example, as ASOIAF is about more than feats. I mean, for example, compare what GRRM said about Jaime - "one of the greatest swordsmen of all time" and Ned - "he's a average fighter". I mean, Ned might have more feats (he doesn't, but let's assume he does); but we know that Jaime is far better regardless.
It's cool
Bronn is a much dirtier fighter than Jon has faced before. I could see a quick dagger toss ending this fight before it began
I know it's not her best feat. Just pointing out that she was able to best many fighter with a similar training history as Mr. Snow
We're supposed to argue based on feats here.
Originally posted by juggerman
Jon has trouble with dirty fighters meaning Bronn has a clear advantage.Brienne beat several anointed knights in the melee that won her place by Renley's side. These were men that trained all their lives with a master at arms like Jon. Jon OTTH has mostly fought untrained wildlings with inferior weapons and armor, or undead with no weapons at all
With Jaime it's mostly hype if I'm being honest. I'm actually starting to think I ride his nuts a little too hard now
Jon has been fighting Wildlings and zombies for some time now. It has been a long time since a dirty fighter got the best of him. Bronn on the other hand has shown to have trouble dealing with a decent opponent one on one that isn't weighed down with armor. He failed to take out that Dothraki and the sand snake. Jon actually has better odds than Bronn.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Jon has been fighting Wildlings and zombies for some time now. It has been a long time since a dirty fighter got the best of him. Bronn on the other hand has shown to have trouble dealing with a decent opponent one on one that isn't weighed down with armor. He failed to take out that Dothraki and the sand snake. Jon actually has better odds than Bronn.
Exactly. Jon has not been fighting competent fighters very often. Wildlings have no armor, inferior weapons and no actual combat training. The undead are even worse. They don't dodge, block, parry or use any other technique. They kinda just run right at you so you don't have to do much other than hack and slash them down.
As for Bronn, he was inferior to the Dothraki on horseback and found himself at a disadvantage which he turned around pretty quickly. Jon wouldn't have that advantage and we've seen Bronn's accuracy with that dagger toss