Jon Snow runs a GOT Gauntlet

Originally posted by FrothByte
Jon has fought against barbarians, cannibals, traitors, enemy soldiers, thieves, murderers, rapists, undead humans, white walkers, undead bears and giants.... but for some reason you think he'll have trouble with someone just because they fight dirty?

What, you think all the rest of those opponents he fought followed honorable rules of combat??

As I've pointed out group combat is very different than 1v1. Also most of the people you've mentioned have had little to no proper training so of course Jon had advantages.

I see you've ignored the dagger throwing part so shall I assume we agree there?

Originally posted by juggerman
As I've pointed out group combat is very different than 1v1. Also most of the people you've mentioned have had little to no proper training so of course Jon had advantages.

I see you've ignored the dagger throwing part so shall I assume we agree there?

If you want to fixate about the dagger, people have blocked Bronn's dagger throw before. So it's not really an assured victory. Besides, what's to stop Jon from throwing a dagger of his own?

You assume that the people I mentioned don't have formal training. How would you know? For that matter, how do you know that Bronn has had formal training? It seems you're applying a double standard here. And if group battles are very different than 1v1 fights, well, Bronn has only ever won one 1v1 fight so his track record doesn't seem so good on that end either.

Originally posted by FrothByte
If you want to fixate about the dagger, people have blocked Bronn's dagger throw before. So it's not really an assured victory. Besides, what's to stop Jon from throwing a dagger of his own?

You assume that the people I mentioned don't have formal training. How would you know? For that matter, how do you know that Bronn has had formal training? It seems you're applying a double standard here. And if group battles are very different than 1v1 fights, well, Bronn has only ever won one 1v1 fight so his track record doesn't seem so good on that end either.

I never said it was assured but I don't recall Jon swatting a dagger out of the air before. If he has please let me know. If not then it is a way for Bronn to win

What evidence do you have that they did have training. The same point I made about weapons North of the Wall goes for training. They aren't the type of people that dedicate several hours daily just to training like people South of the Wall do. The True North is wild and unyielding, there are very few "safe" places like the castles in the South. It's unrealistic to assume Wildlings would be trained as well as Jon was. If you disagree please provide reasoning

As far as Bronn's training goes, we actually see Bronn in action vs the nobodies Jon has killed. We know Bronn, being a very successful sellsword, HAS to be skilled in order to survive. Survive in combat as well as make a living. If you are unskilled you die young being a sellsword. Plus both Tyrion and Jaime freaking Lannister thought he was good enough to train Jaime. Jaime would never allow someone unskilled to train him.

Originally posted by juggerman
I never said it was assured but I don't recall Jon swatting a dagger out of the air before. If he has please let me know. If not then it is a way for Bronn to win

What evidence do you have that they did have training. The same point I made about weapons North of the Wall goes for training. They aren't the type of people that dedicate several hours daily just to training like people South of the Wall do. The True North is wild and unyielding, there are very few "safe" places like the castles in the South. It's unrealistic to assume Wildlings would be trained as well as Jon was. If you disagree please provide reasoning

As far as Bronn's training goes, we actually see Bronn in action vs the nobodies Jon has killed. We know Bronn, being a very successful sellsword, HAS to be skilled in order to survive. Survive in combat as well as make a living. If you are unskilled you die young being a sellsword. Plus both Tyrion and Jaime freaking Lannister thought he was good enough to train Jaime. Jaime would never allow someone unskilled to train him.

How would you know that they don't dedicate several hours to learning how to fight? Either prove it or admit it's just an opinion. You think warrior races who spend a lot of time fighting and killing one another don't spend the time to learn how to do it properly? You claim wildlings have no formal training despite having no proof, yet act like Bronn has formal training despite having no proof. When has Bronn ever fought a trained fighter straight up and managed to look good hmm?

In fact, if you thought so highly of training, then you should automatically give Jon the win since he has more evidence of formal training than Bronn. But for some reason your "training" angle only comes into play whenever you talk about wildlings.

Jamie only trained with Bronn because they knew Bronn could be discreet.

You're putting way too much faith in a dagger throw that only worked once that wasn't in a 1v1 fight if I recall. So now I'm confused, are we considering group battles legit or not?

Originally posted by FrothByte
How would you know that they don't dedicate several hours to learning how to fight? Either prove it or admit it's just an opinion. You think warrior races who spend a lot of time fighting and killing one another don't spend the time to learn how to do it properly? You claim wildlings have no formal training despite having no proof, yet act like Bronn has formal training despite having no proof. When has Bronn ever fought a trained fighter straight up and managed to look good hmm?

In fact, if you thought so highly of training, then you should automatically give Jon the win since he has more evidence of formal training than Bronn. But for some reason your "training" angle only comes into play whenever you talk about wildlings.

Jamie only trained with Bronn because they knew Bronn could be discreet.

You're putting way too much faith in a dagger throw that only worked once that wasn't in a 1v1 fight if I recall. So now I'm confused, are we considering group battles legit or not?

Why is it that every time the Northern armies make it past the Wall they are easily pushed back by Winterfell and it's vassals? It's because they are not as well trained and disciplined. You act as if all training and fighting are the same. A man trained in a castle by multiple different teachers, not constantly near death from cold and hunger will be better trained than those on the other end. How many great fighters can you name from North of the Wall? How many legendary swordsmen, or bowmen, or spearmen or anything-men? Or women? How many can you think of South of the Wall? HUGE difference. The combat training is leagues apart. Again if you can give me ONE example of someone born North of the Wall that compares to the training available at Winterfell to Jon then you might have a point. Also since you questioned me about weaponry earlier, at the 1:08 mark they specifically mention that the Wildlings have pretty shitty weapons: YouTube video

Gonna keep looking for videos that mention skill or training since that would help here

I already stated that Jon has better feats and would beat Bronn if he couldn't resort to underhanded fighting techniques so I don't why you need me to say it again...

That's untrue. We know for a fact that Bronn isn't the only discreet person in King's Landing. Bronn was chosen for his skill AND his ability to keep his mouth shut. In fact in the novels Jaime trained with Ser Ilyn Payne because he couldn't talk or write. Now that's discreet. Why didn't Jaime go that route if all he wanted was discretion? Jaime would never allow someone unskilled to train him period.

We've always considered group fights. I simply pointed out that they differ in tactics one uses. That dagger toss was damn accurate and unless you have a feat from Jon that would make it completely useless it's a viable strategy. I never said it was a automatic win or it was the only way he could win so idk why you claim I'm putting so much faith in it. I just said it could end the fight which it realistically could