Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I DID say speedsteal was a tactic, one which does not harm his opponent. You asked for examples. I gave you several. And yet....
Speed steal seems a good tactic. I told you as much.
It seems by far Flash's best option for winning.
It passes the 3 P test I outlined on the previous page.
However, it's actual effectiveness in practice is debate able.
It achieves its most prominent effectiveness against other speedsters, problematic because the comics seem to suggest it is precisely because those speedsters are connected TO the Speed Force that it works. Note even in this 2009 Flash Rebirth series you suggested that the Flashes and Zooms have profound and widely differing effects on themselves and their special empowering fields, not so noticeable on others.
Against non-speedsters?
In your Virtue Vice scan of Flash versus Surtur, we're told it may cause a jolt?
Are we sure all heroes are affected? Does it stop or even noticeably slow them down? Or do they keep on going about their business, almost as if nothing had happened?
In the race against Superman, Flash debates trying this.
Does Flash think this will stop Superman's actual motion?
Or is Flash concerned about Superman's momentum driving him forward and leaving a wake of destruction?
After using it against Amazo: does the speed stolen help Flash heal after Amazo's assault? Is it enough to stop Amazo, end his threat, and earn the win? Or does Flash nevertheless collapse at the feet of his friends, secure in the belief that THEY will be able to take Amazo down where Flash himself failed?
The other thing about speed steal is it takes research to give it a proper answer.
For instance Zoom seems unaffected by it due to his time traveling ability. Does Wonder Woman have anything that can match that time travel ability,
ASSUMING that speed steal will actually work on her?
Source: Wonder Woman #145, Volume 2
Originally posted by RealityWarper
Yeah and by feats he doesn't.And forum rules doesn't allow you to make your own version of a character. 🙂
Course it doesn't.
But Flash is at Full Capacity. He knows who WW is,and knows she's dangerous in h2h.
He's allowed all powers he's been seen to do.
I've not said ANYTHING that he hasn't done before 🙂
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Course it doesn't.But Flash is at Full Capacity. He knows who WW is,and knows she's dangerous in h2h.
He's allowed all powers he's been seen to do.
I've not said ANYTHING that he hasn't done before 🙂
And she is fighting at her best too...
But fighting at your best doesn't mean that you can't lose, even if you are "fast"...
Flash as struggled against less skilled and less powerful characters than Diana despite being "at his best".
Originally posted by RealityWarper
Wonder Woman Vs Flash ?
Or, you post the scans where you think him being tagged by weaker/slower/less powerful opponents ISN'T PIS.
I say why they are PIS.
Then whosoever we get to judge, then says if they are PIS or not.
CIS would be thrown out the window, because in this thread, Wally knows who Diana is. He knows she's scary powerful, and skilled, and dangerous, so wouldn't be holding back.
Originally posted by RealityWarper
Yeah and by feats he doesn't.And forum rules doesn't allow you to make your own version of a character. 🙂
So when I say he fights at high speed, it's me making stuff up?
The WHOLE fight took place in a picosecond. The punch, the gloating, the vibrating hand, the moving - all in a picosecond.
WW?
He KNOWS what she can do. He KNOWS she's dangerous, and that he may only have one chance to clock her.
That's Wally, btw. Against a more martial WW. But the point I am trying to make here, is that he wouldn't make the same mistakes twice.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Or, you post the scans where you think him being tagged by weaker/slower/less powerful opponents ISN'T PIS.I say why they are PIS.
Then whosoever we get to judge, then says if they are PIS or not.
CIS would be thrown out the window, because in this thread, Wally knows who Diana is. He knows she's scary powerful, and skilled, and dangerous, so wouldn't be holding back.
And she can anticipate his trajectories via the movements of the air pressure and she can makes him impale himself on her atom splitting sword this followed with a proper beheading.
Flash doesn't do much in combat but charging his opponents most of the time.
His fight against Tangent Superman shows that he isn't invincible contrary to what his fanboys believes.
By the way if you want a BZ I will not use Wonder Woman, I have another character in mind.
Originally posted by RealityWarper
And she can anticipate his trajectories via the movements of the air pressure and she can makes him impale himself on her atom splitting sword this followed with a proper beheading.Flash doesn't do much in combat but charging his opponents most of the time.
His fight against Tangent Superman shows that he isn't invincible contrary to what his fanboys believes.
By the way if you want a BZ I will not use Wonder Woman, I have another character in mind.
Yet she can't anticipate Batman:
Because lemme guess, because Deathstroke did it to Flash, WW (who is faster) can do the same?
Same reasoning. Batman could do it. Wally, who is faster, can do the same 🙂
Wait, so you're now changing your stance from 'he has no feats to support it' to 'yeah he does, but not most of the time'.
Soon, will it be 'not EVERY time'??
I told you what the BZ was. You post the scans of slower, weaker opponents tagging Flash, and argue its NOT PIS, and I argue why it's PIS.
Edit: as for the 'Oh, Flash only does XYZ most of the time:
Full Capacity
It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality, unless specified otherwise. That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first millisecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed.
