And this goes back to what we were talking about ABC logic.
C is faster than A. Yet B manages to tag C. Some unscrupulous people might then post other showings of A tagging B....and then use that showing to 'prove' A is faster or as fast as C.
When we already have a showing of A nd C, where C is faster.
I plan for page 10 to be a collated reference page, so I'm going to try to tie up loose ends where they exist:
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Why are you posting scans from Injustice? Completely different WW.Unlike here:
As alluded to before, the arrows in that episode were magic.
The monologue HEAVILY implies ordinary arrows would not work against her during this period of her career, quite unlike the 1990s version of her.
Source:Wonder Woman #17 Volume 3
It'd be helpful if you know what issue number that scan you're calling an Injustice scan is from, by the way.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85As for Hermes' portal, you're going to what, now assert she gains a boost from him for this fight? Forum rules, outside help isn't allowed. She's not praying to her patrons for extra speed.
Many of Diana's stat boosts come from upgrades to equipment, new skills learned, or both, and they usually then become a more or less permanent part of her repertoire. For instance in nuDiana's saga, Hermes tagged Diana with a feather. From there on she apparently had a speed and flight upgrade.
Haphaestus tinkered with her bracelets. Henceforth, a la Psylocke, Wonder Woman had the ability to call forth virtually any hand-held weapon she owned.
Here, back in issue #39, detailing part of the fight with Cottus, shown earlier, it is revealed that Zeus himself unlocked the Lightning feature of our post-Crisis Diana's bracelets, knowing she might need them sometime in her career for just such an encounter.
Source: Wonder Woman Volume 3 #39
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Are you just randomly throwing everything at this thread lol.
No, most of what I'm showing either relates to an objection I KNOW exists in the mind of people and providing an answer to it, some proven technique she's demonstrated to a select audience, or background information that no casual fan could reasonably hope to find on their own.
Even these lightning exhibitions follow that model. They're counters to the objection you brought up of Dr.Polaris apparently taking Diana down with an electric jolt. And Flash's ability to generate it.
But Diana can use her bracelets to deflect it after Zeus's upgrade, and can apparently withstand the area shock it produces even while she's underwater.
She can also direct it at enemies, and it was enough to stun the volcano god Pele, and take the demigod monster Cottus out.
It's something she can do from the air, where she'd be safe from most of Flash's assaults, but can still strike him quickly and from afar.
And we know, unless they retconned it, that Flash is vulnerable to electric assault. We saw that when he fought, and lost, to Amazo:
Source: Justice League of America #23, Volume 2,
Incidentally, after Flash took his speed as seen in those scans, Vixen ran through his powers:
Strength, no speed. Skills, no speed. Powers, no speed. Magic, no speed.
So speedsteal worked pretty well. He had no superspeed at that point in time (later on, of course, he can siphon more). Interesting how it still took all of WW's concentration to block him though.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Incidentally, after Flash took his speed as seen in those scans, Vixen ran through his powers:Strength, no speed. Skills, no speed. Powers, no speed. Magic, no speed.
So speedsteal worked pretty well. He had no superspeed. Interesting how it still took all of WW's concentration to block him though.
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There are some things you just don't read very well, aren't there?
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
😬There are some things you just don't read very well, aren't there?
Batman's.....speed?
Where's Flash? Are YOU adding things? Adding words? Where is Flash mentioned? 😕 😕 😕
Strange how Black Canary and Red Arrow are mentioned.....Wonder Woman, Superman, EVERYONE is mentioned.....in order of importance, one would assume....
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Many of Diana's stat boosts come from upgrades to equipment, new skills learned, or both, and they usually then become a more or less permanent part of her repertoire. For instance in nuDiana's saga, Hermes tagged Diana with a feather. From there on she apparently had a speed and flight upgrade.
Haphaestus tinkered with her bracelets. Henceforth, a la Psylocke, Wonder Woman had the ability to call forth virtually any hand-held weapon she owned.Here, back in issue #39, detailing part of the fight with Cottus, shown earlier, it is revealed that Zeus himself unlocked the Lightning feature of our post-Crisis Diana's bracelets, knowing she might need them sometime in her career for just such an encounter.
Source: Wonder Woman Volume 3 #39
So you SURELY have a scan of her entering the Speed Force without that pesky portal, right? I mean, it's been a good few years since the storyline with Jesse Quick. Surely this stat boost....has manifested itself, right? She has entered the SF without needing to use that portal?
Because, otherwise, as
DS vaguely alluded to a few pages back when he claimed Wonder Woman was "amped" as she neared the SpeedForce or something of the like.
You've proved my point, thanks. She was amped. Your ownership of said comic, just makes it worse that you called my claim into question, and even put the word 'amped' in quote marks, implying she wasn't.
I'll take a better look at your scan in a bit.
Even if they managed to neutralize that as a threat, though, Flash is still demonstrating extreme susceptibility to distraction, concussive force, blinding, sharp items, and sonic attack. Show me him neutralizing the effects a sonic boom would have and you might have something.
Source: Justice League of America #23, Volume 2.
Finally managed to track down the source of Starro-possessed Flash:
Source: JLA Classified #17
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
[B]No, most of what I'm showing either relates to an objection I KNOW exists in the mind of people and providing an answer to it, some proven technique she's demonstrated to a select audience, or background information that no casual fan could reasonably hope to find on their own.Even these lightning exhibitions follow that model. They're counters to the objection you brought up of Dr.Polaris apparently taking Diana down with an electric jolt. And Flash's ability to generate it.
But Diana can use her bracelets to deflect it after Zeus's upgrade, and can apparently withstand the area shock it produces even while she's underwater.
She can also direct it at enemies, and it was enough to stun the volcano god Pele, and take the demigod monster Cottus out.It's something she can do from the air, where she'd be safe from most of Flash's assaults, but can still strike him quickly and from afar.
And we know, unless they retconned it, that Flash is vulnerable to electric assault. We saw that when he fought, and lost, to Amazo:
Please review the thread.
The Speed Force is an INFINITE source of energy. A lightning strike isn't infinite. Flash used this fact precisely with Cobalt Blue, overloading him with infinite energy.
Your scans are.....paltry and pitiful in comparison,to be honest. Electrical energy isn't all equal. And your scans are certainly not infinite in nature.
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
I'll take a better look at your scan in a bit.Even if they managed to neutralize that as a threat, though, Flash is still demonstrating extreme susceptibility to distraction, concussive force, blinding, sharp items, and sonic attack. Show me him neutralizing the effects a sonic boom would have and you might have something.
I thought I had something with the speedsteal, and his speed advantage, no?
Here he is with concussive force:
A SONIC boom? How fast is that?
But let's say it's...I don't know, magical sonic booms. And they tag him.
Spoiler alert: he wasn't harmed.
Oh, and:
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Your ownership of said comic, just makes it worse that you called my claim into question, and even put the word 'amped' in quote marks, implying she wasn't.
After what I caught you trying to pull off in the following thread, you better believe I'm going to call into question some of the tactics you routinely employ.
I'm not sure if your Skrullcrawler ruse on the following page is more audacious than anything you've written in our current thread, though.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=641421&pagenumber=9
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
After what I caught you trying to pull off in the following thread, you better believe I'm going to call into question some of the tactics you routinely employ.I'm not sure if your Skrullcrawler ruse on the following page is more audacious than anything you've written in our current thread, though.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=641421&pagenumber=9
That thread was people calling you out on comics you don't read....
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Blue doesn't read our posts or the comics he posts scans from, Ize.His next post will have Pete taking two punches from the Punisher! So much better than the Mr. Fear feat, dude!
Originally posted by Ize19
I really should know better, I know. It's just really hard for me to leave such ignorance unanswered. Ah well, pearls before swine.Lol, yeah. It's pretty funny that he acts like every scan he's posted of Wolverine being "knocked out" hasn't been posted a million different times, by a million different haters. But he's busting the myth!
Originally posted by Ize19
Ok, I know you get a big kick out of this stuff, but 90% of your post is completely irrelevant to this discussion. Yes, they cheat for the powers, acknowledged.None of what you posted proved that the Skrull used flight to increase the impact of Spider-Man's fall, he didn't credit the damage Spider-Man took to that, even in his private thoughts on the subject, so trying to discredit the feat because he had the ability to increase the damage, but never suggested that he did, is not fair game.
Attempting to hit somebody's credibility on the basis of your unsupported speculation is even further from fair game. And trying to equate what you accuse DS of, with the willful blindness of Dareangel? You guessed it.
I mean, at least Ize got what I was driving at:
Originally posted by Ize19
Again you quote that. Only problem is, DS might have posted the scans, but he's not the one that brought them up. He posted them because Dareangel was saying Spiderman could replicate the feat, and he wanted to prove that he couldn't. He didn't ever say "because it took WWH so many punches to knock out Wolverine, Spider-man can't do it." He just said that just because WWH managed to knock Wolverine out, wasn't proof that Spider-man could. Two distinctly different arguments.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85I thought I had something with the speedsteal, and his speed advantage, no?
The speed steal is a challenge, and I complimented you for it a page or few ago.
I haven't seen anything besides that which would give Flash, in character, much more than a puncher's chance against a prime post-Crisis Wonder Woman.
Good batch of scans with this last submission, though.
It'd be helpful if you posted what books they come from.
Riv himself had issues with the way the 2 you're citing conducted themselves;
I doubt you're going to win any points there:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=479012&pagenumber=2
Moreover, the cure for the problem of incomplete information is to supply better and more complete information. Include some reference info and a sizeable number of people will never have that problem again.
