Originally posted by krisblaze
So it's settled then.Abhi vs Goober.
Superman vs Surfer.
I'll gladly judge.
I only argue for what's in the comics. And Goober knows he will lose that way.
Originally posted by leonidas
@phil--ambient v abhi would be hilarious. i actually can't believe no one has ever bz'd superman v ss before. if this were summer, i'd def take you up on the offer. 👆 of course, we still have our finals to finish. lol
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, I do mind. Get your own damn scans.
Gee I wonder why that would be... possibly because when we look at the scans we don't see Surfer actually draining her...
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/images/1300-3750557
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/images/1300-3750558
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/images/1300-3750559
... I mean I certainly don't see any energy being transferred from her to Surfer.
Originally posted by abhilegend
No, because he has never done so. Or Superman uses counter vibrations to remove Surfer from existence.
Originally posted by abhilegend
No, it isn't. Not by your logic where he goes to exploit weaknesses from get go.
I never said that he'd go for weakness exploitation from the get go.
Originally posted by abhilegend
If he used it even once in 50 years, maybe.Right now? He never uses it period.
But he demonstrated his willingness to do so with the threat. The fact that he end up needing to is irrelevant.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Why is that a proof of negative? He had Gladiator's powers, he had his weaknesses as Gladiator wasn't born with the level of power he has. He went to a treatment and that's how he got the radiation weakness.You're once again running away from proving your points.
Because you're asking for proof that he DIDN'T(a negative) have Glad's weakness when there was absolutely nothing to suggest that he did. Thus, you're asking for proof of a negative.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Where? In Hulk 250 it was simply draining, in S'S 125 it was simply draining and in Order 3 it was Dr Strange who thought of reverting him to another persona.
The time when Hulk screams that Surfer's killing him. I'm all but positive that Surfer's blasting him when he was screaming that.
Originally posted by abhilegend
You can read I presume?
Originally posted by abhilegend
Where is it stated that he evolved to get off the planet as you claimed?
Originally posted by abhilegend
I'm higher caliber of debater than you too. Wanna know why? I actually prove what I say and don't rely on the favors of others to do it for me.I'm ready for BZ as per forum rules anytime gooby, don't start running to judges for favor this time.
Gee that's a mixed message abhi, do you really mean "as per forum rules" or...
Originally posted by abhilegend
Goober would never agree. He wants him to be control of the character and uses imaginary tactics never used by the character.I only argue for what's in the comics. And Goober knows he will lose that way.
...which means that a character who can manipulate radiation won't create a specific frequency just because it's never been relevant for him to do so in his history?
Originally posted by Stoic
Lobo is extremely resistant to energy assaults. Since the Surfer wouldn't find any glaring weaknesses in Lobo, he could very well be one of the most physically challenging opponents on the list. I could also see the Surfer dealing with him much in the same way that he dealt with Lunatik.
Lobo uses his weakness awareness power, to pinpoint Surfers weaknesses and exploit them.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Gee I wonder why that would be... possibly because when we look at the scans we don't see Surfer actually draining her...https://comicvine.gamespot.com/images/1300-3750557
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/images/1300-3750558
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/images/1300-3750559... I mean I certainly don't see any energy being transferred from her to Surfer.
We don't see it happening it several times before. Not to mention her powers closely resembled power cosmic and he could drain it as he has far better control.
It's entirely irrelevant to draining Superman. She is a entirely featless character.
Yes because he made it known he was willing to and the claim doesn't go against his nature as demonstrated when he's used energy manipulation to exploit vulnerabilities in his opponents before.
I'm specifically asking for radiation based weakness exploitation as you claimed. Don't change the goalposts.
Draining is not the same as detecting weakness as kryptonite or red sun radiation and actually doing it.
If I have a history that includes hitting someone with a bat for pissing me off and I threaten to throw a chair at someone if they piss me off it can totally be said the instance supports throwing a chair to be within my character even if someone steps in to prevent the other person from pissing me off any further.
Don't change the goalposts. You said Surfer has a history of detecting weakness like kryptonite and red sun radiation. Show that now or concede you're a liar.
I never said that he'd go for weakness exploitation from the get go.
How much time will it take? How many times has he done it on panel?
I'm specifically asking for radiation weakness exploitation if you are not understanding still. Not energy manipulation.
But he demonstrated his willingness to do so with the threat. The fact that he end up needing to is irrelevant.
It's entirely relevant as he never even tried it on someone with Gladiator's powers. Firestorm has used kryptonite on Superman and even SBP.
That's called weakness exploitation in character.
Surfer making a bluff isn't.
Because you're asking for proof that he DIDN'T(a negative) have Glad's weakness when there was absolutely nothing to suggest that he did. Thus, you're asking for proof of a negative.
Because you claim this was a proof of Gladiator's weakness exploitation when it wasn't shown anywhere before or after.
I'm asking you to prove your claim.
The time when Hulk screams that Surfer's killing him. I'm all but positive that Surfer's blasting him when he was screaming that.
In SS 125? He was draining Hulk and Hulk was already dying with no control over his energy.
Irrelevant.
Yes but your statements don't make sense.
In your alternate world maybe where Surfer can detect weaknesses.
You're claim is that Surfer had to be bluffing because Lunatik escaped but in the story where he escaped it was specifically talked about that Lunatik evolves past things. Thus his escape itself doesn't support your claim.
But it wasn't shown in the Drax story where he actually escaped.
But I like your insinuation that the only way surfer can win against Lobo is run away from the fight.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Gee that's a mixed message abhi, do you really mean "as per forum rules" or......which means that a character who can manipulate radiation won't create a specific frequency just because it's never been relevant for him to do so in his history?
As per forum rules, characters fight IN CHARACTER. You seem to think you're controlling the character, it's not a tournament.
If you can prove its in character for Surfer to use it, sure you can. I won't argue that Firestorm will use kryptonite against Superman because he actually does that every time he goes against Superman.
So good luck with that.
Originally posted by abhilegend
We don't see it happening it several times before. Not to mention her powers closely resembled power cosmic and he could drain it as he has far better control.It's entirely irrelevant to draining Superman. She is a entirely featless character.
He didn't drain her, that's the point. You claimed that all he did was drain her, I showed scans to indicate that he didn't.
Originally posted by abhilegend
I'm specifically asking for radiation based weakness exploitation as you claimed. Don't change the goalposts.Draining is not the same as detecting weakness as kryptonite or red sun radiation and actually doing it.
He's done more than simple draining before.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Don't change the goalposts. You said Surfer has a history of detecting weakness like kryptonite and red sun radiation. Show that now or concede you're a liar.How much time will it take? How many times has he done it on panel?
His face to face with Glads demonstrates it whether you like it or not. You act as though I'm the only one who supports that interpretation, I'm not.
Originally posted by abhilegend
I'm specifically asking for radiation weakness exploitation if you are not understanding still. Not energy manipulation.It's entirely relevant as he never even tried it on someone with Gladiator's powers. Firestorm has used kryptonite on Superman and even SBP.
That's called weakness exploitation in character.
Surfer making a bluff isn't.
I have no problem saying that such a specific scenario thing hasn't come up before man. You act like I'm dodging a point, I'm not.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Because you claim this was a proof of Gladiator's weakness exploitation when it wasn't shown anywhere before or after.I'm asking you to prove your claim.
It never came up again lol
Originally posted by abhilegend
In SS 125? He was draining Hulk and Hulk was already dying with no control over his energy.Irrelevant.
He was using an energy blast, he wasn't pulling energy from Hulk into himself. Come to think of it, that's the exact kind of thing you were questioning before when you were talking about the way he always drained hulk instead of using radiation against him.
Originally posted by abhilegend
In your alternate world maybe where Surfer can detect weaknesses.
He can.
Originally posted by abhilegend
But it wasn't shown in the Drax story where he actually escaped.But I like your insinuation that the only way surfer can win against Lobo is run away from the fight.
The Drax story wasn't the one in which he escaped the planet Surfer trapped him on. I told you, he escaped in the prior issue where he fought the Avengers.
Originally posted by abhilegend
That's some revisionist history. I accepted to post again but you and your sycophants caused so much trouble everyone was banned and you ran away for years again.
Originally posted by abhilegend
As per forum rules, characters fight IN CHARACTER. You seem to think you're controlling the character, it's not a tournament.If you can prove its in character for Surfer to use it, sure you can. I won't argue that Firestorm will use kryptonite against Superman because he actually does that every time he goes against Superman.
So good luck with that.
Originally posted by DamborgsonI think you need more than 3 posts each, given the sheer volume.
I volunteer to judge the battlezone.Superman vs Surfer
3 posts each, counting your initial post as 1.
Winner is whoever can prove that their character is more likely to win. 3 judges.
Fighters are in character. What do you guys say?
Forum rules should be enough, imo.
Originally posted by darthgoober
He didn't drain her, that's the point. You claimed that all he did was drain her, I showed scans to indicate that he didn't.
Where did you prove that? Where did he cut off her from her powers?
He's done more than simple draining before.
Radiation based weakness exploitation only as you said.
His face to face with Glads demonstrates it whether you like it or not. You act as though I'm the only one who supports that interpretation, I'm not.
Argumentum ad populum? Now that's the last straw that you are desperate.
I don't care if the whole world agrees with you. It's incorrect and that's it.
I have no problem saying that such a specific scenario thing hasn't come up before man. You act like I'm dodging a point, I'm not.
See guys, the guy kept arguing for a scenario that has never been done by Surfer for a decade.
Concession accepted mate.
It never came up again lol
Surfer has never fought Gladiator or anyone with a specific weakness? He has fought atlanteans who are weakened against heat.
Never used it there too.
He was using an energy blast, he wasn't pulling energy from Hulk into himself. Come to think of it, that's the exact kind of thing you were questioning before when you were talking about the way he always drained hulk instead of using radiation against him.
He was draining hulk. He refences him curing Hulk by draining him and Hulk even says that can't happen again because he was separated from Banner.
Are you really this desperate?
He can.
Are you sure? You just conceded that he has never done so.
The Drax story wasn't the one in which he escaped the planet Surfer trapped him on. I told you, he escaped in the prior issue where he fought the Avengers.
You really have no idea where he appeared again, do you? He appeared again in Cosmic Powers Unlimited and he was never specifically stated to evolve to escape.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Hey you were the one arguing with the judges, that's the only trouble that was going down in our thread.
Like I said revisionist history mate.
lol
Something funny with the forum rules? But you just conceded that you basically argued an imaginary scenario for a whole decade, so I don't think you follow any forum rules or any comics.