How many wins can Silver Surfer Get (DC)

Originally posted by abhilegend
Where did you prove that? Where did he cut off her from her powers?

I posted the scans showing he didn't drain her, that's where I proved it.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Radiation based weakness exploitation only as you said.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Argumentum ad populum? Now that's the last straw that you are desperate.

I don't care if the whole world agrees with you. It's incorrect and that's it.

I'm not saying that I'm right because most people agree with me, I'm saying that your staunch denial of my interpretation of so subjective of a topic is obviously misguided.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You know, if the whole world disagreed with your interpretation you really my want to consider that you're interpreting it wrong. The fact that you wouldn't even in that particular extreme really shows there's some underlying issue with your thought process. Hell just flip it and say that there's absolutely nothing wrong with me or anyone else making any claim they want about comics and just say that everyone else in the world is wrong.

See guys, the guy kept arguing for a scenario that has never been done by Surfer for a decade.

Concession accepted mate.

You think I've been going around telling people that last week Surfer replicated the scene last week lol

Originally posted by abhilegend
Surfer has never fought Gladiator or anyone with a specific weakness? He has fought atlanteans who are weakened against heat.

Never used it there too.

Nope he never fought Gladiator, but he has fought the Hulk and used it there.

Originally posted by abhilegend
He was draining hulk. He refences him curing Hulk by draining him and Hulk even says that can't happen again because he was separated from Banner.

Are you really this desperate?

He was using an energy blast that was draining Hulk not simply absorbing his energy, obviously he was using some kind of "counter energy" or some such thing.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Are you sure? You just conceded that he has never done so.

No I said that specific scenario hasn't come up, not that he'd never detected the radiation weakness in an individual and made it known he was willing and able to use it against the guy.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You really have no idea where he appeared again, do you? He appeared again in Cosmic Powers Unlimited and he was never specifically stated to evolve to escape.

Hey just because nothing short of an on the nose statement makes things clear to you in regards to Surfer doesn't mean that everyone else falls so short at deductive reasoning.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Like I said revisionist history mate.

Something funny with the forum rules? But you just conceded that you basically argued an imaginary scenario for a whole decade, so I don't think you follow any forum rules or any comics.

Of course Surfer creating K-night hasn't happened, he's not in DC... duh. But him using energy manipulation to exploit his opponents weaknesses/vulnerabilities is a thing, his ability to create specific frequencies of energy/radiation to that effect is a thing.

Originally posted by Damborgson
I volunteer to judge the battlezone.

Superman vs Surfer

3 posts each, counting your initial post as 1.

Winner is whoever can prove that their character is more likely to win. 3 judges.

Fighters are in character. What do you guys say?

Originally posted by Philosophía
I think you need more than 3 posts each, given the sheer volume.

Forum rules should be enough, imo.

Honestly, if we were going to do it we should probably do it right this time. Something like letting us just go until we've made all our points then make a closing statement to the judges that doesn't introduce anything new to the discussion but rather just sums up the point(s) of our arguements.

Originally posted by darthgoober
I posted the scans showing he didn't drain her, that's where I proved it.

Where is that shown? All he did was depower her. There is no indication that he cut her off from her powers.

Against the Hulk, as you've brought my attention to.

So you really are THAT desperate.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-4cTepkFgm3Q/VoTXY1PNFDI/AAAAAAAAS2I/FjH8_4hAkQA/s1600-Ic42/RCO025.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-PnzVhyRoJ0o/VoTXZFHB5vI/AAAAAAAAS1w/pcEFdTE-DIw/s1600-Ic42/RCO026.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-F9q_SWPSNBs/VoTXZAUnpUI/AAAAAAAAS1w/Sntk8g0KMYw/s1600-Ic42/RCO027.jpg

Surfer flat out says that as he once drained the gamma radiation from Hulk, he is doing it again.

And fails to drain the hulk totally who stuns him and leaps away.

I'm not saying that I'm right because most people agree with me, I'm saying that your staunch denial of my interpretation of so subjective of a topic is obviously misguided.

😂

It's not denial. You're just wrong.

You think I've been going around telling people that last week Surfer replicated the scene last week lol

Are you not going around in every thread featuring Superman and Surfer that Surfer goes for weakness exploitation since last decade?

Imagine me going in every thread claiming Superman oneshots kills Surfer. It's exactly like what you claim.

Because it has never happened.

Nope he never fought Gladiator, but he has fought the Hulk and used it there.

No, he didn't. You're just grasping at straws now.

He was using an energy blast that was draining Hulk not simply absorbing his energy, obviously he was using some kind of "counter energy" or some such thing.

crylaugh

He was doing the exact thing he did in Hulk 250, draining his gamma radiation.

It's just an artistic interpretation of Surfer draining hulk.

In which he failed BTW.

No I said that specific scenario hasn't come up, not that he'd never detected the radiation weakness in an individual and made it known he was willing and able to use it against the guy.

No backtracking now.

You said it yourself that Surfer has never done so.

Live with that now.

Hey just because nothing short of an on the nose statement makes things clear to you in regards to Surfer doesn't mean that everyone else falls so short at deductive reasoning.

You sure can't read a simple statement as well.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Do you need to see the screenshots of our match as a reminder of who it was causing a ruckus in our BZ?

Of mine posts only I assume? Do you have what you posted?

Of course Surfer creating K-night hasn't happened, he's not in DC... duh. But him using energy manipulation to exploit his opponents weaknesses/vulnerabilities is a thing, his ability to create specific frequencies of energy/radiation to that effect is a thing.

When has he created a specific frequency too? Kryptonite is DC specific, but red sun radiation isn't.

Let's see how many times he has created specific frequencies to bring down a specific character.

I hope you have at least that.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Where is that shown? All he did was depower her. There is no indication that he cut her off from her powers.

He obviously did if he she ended up powerless without him draining her. 2+2 man.

Originally posted by abhilegend
So you really are THAT desperate.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-4cTepkFgm3Q/VoTXY1PNFDI/AAAAAAAAS2I/FjH8_4hAkQA/s1600-Ic42/RCO025.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-PnzVhyRoJ0o/VoTXZFHB5vI/AAAAAAAAS1w/pcEFdTE-DIw/s1600-Ic42/RCO026.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-F9q_SWPSNBs/VoTXZAUnpUI/AAAAAAAAS1w/Sntk8g0KMYw/s1600-Ic42/RCO027.jpg

Surfer flat out says that as he once drained the gamma radiation from Hulk, he is doing it again.

And fails to drain the hulk totally who stuns him and leaps away.

He didn't do it that way before, he's using some form of energy blast this time. Again, 2+2.

Originally posted by abhilegend
😂

It's not denial. You're just wrong.

And it's ok for you to think I'm wrong, but the way you seem to insinuate that there's no reason for me to believe such a thing is obviously a stretch because there are plenty of people who share my interpretation.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Are you not going around in every thread featuring Superman and Surfer that Surfer goes for weakness exploitation since last decade?

Imagine me going in every thread claiming Superman oneshots kills Surfer. It's exactly like what you claim.

Because it has never happened.

No I'm not. I generally try not even to get involved in drawn out debates between the two because it's been done to death. I do believe it's an option for him that he will use if such a thing becomes necessary and there's plenty to support that stance IMO. But I've never said that he creates specific frequencies of radiation to beat opponents all the time in comics or anything like that, just that he's exploited weaknesses/vulnerabilities via energy manipulation quite a bit.

Originally posted by abhilegend
No, he didn't. You're just grasping at straws now.

crylaugh

He was doing the exact thing he did in Hulk 250, draining his gamma radiation.

It's just an artistic interpretation of Surfer draining hulk.

In which he failed BTW.

Sure he did, you posted the scans.

Originally posted by abhilegend
No backtracking now.

You said it yourself that Surfer has never done so.

Live with that now.

We're talking here about whether or not he can detect weaknesses, I never said that he's never detected a weakness. If you believe I said or insinuated such a thing, please quote it and what it's in response to.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You sure can't read a simple statement as well.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Of mine posts only I assume? Do you have what you posted?

When has he created a specific frequency too? Kryptonite is DC specific, but red sun radiation isn't.

Let's see how many times he has created specific frequencies to bring down a specific character.

I hope you have at least that.

Against the Hulk with that blast. He also let Glads know he could create such a specific frequency 🙂

Originally posted by darthgoober
He obviously did if he she ended up powerless without him draining her. 2+2 man.

Hahaha, what? Drained characters become powerless as well.

He didn't do it that way before, he's using some form of energy blast this time. Again, 2+2.

Exactly, he can drain with an energy blast. It does not means it was something else.

What you're trying to say is exactly opposite of what the comic says.

It was just draining. Nothing else.

And it's ok for you to think I'm wrong, but the way you seem to insinuate that there's no reason for me to believe such a thing is obviously a stretch because there are plenty of people who share my interpretation.

Then they are wrong too. Simple as that.

No I'm not. I generally try not even to get involved in drawn out debates between the two because it's been done to death. I do believe it's an option for him that he will use if such a thing becomes necessary and there's plenty to support that stance IMO. But I've never said that he creates specific frequencies of radiation to beat opponents all the time in comics or anything like that, just that he's exploited weaknesses/vulnerabilities via energy manipulation quite a bit.

Then why have you failed to produce a single feat of such other than a statement which turned out to be a bluff?

Where are the feats dude? You're only talking out of your ass now.

Sure he did, you posted the scans.

😂

Those were only draining. You're objectively wrong again.

We're talking here about whether or not he can detect weaknesses, I never said that he's never detected a weakness. If you believe I said or insinuated such a thing, please quote it and what it's in response to.

You never posted anything that shows he can detect weakness like Karnak.

You showed him stating that he knows Gladiator's weakness.

So did Hulk out of blue.

So did Rocket Raccoon and Rachel Summers.

So did Skrulls.

So did Shiar Emperor.

Do all these characters detect weakness too?

I can read a simple statement just fine, whether or not it can be understood is dependent upon the other parties ability to adequately confer his thoughts 😉

You simply can't at this point. Interpretating that Surfer was doing anything but draining hulk in SS 125 merely confirms it.

Originally posted by darthgoober
No I'm pretty sure I have screenshots of the whole thread. As for what I posted, do you mean my opening or my repeated attempts at getting you to respond?

Post those then. Let's see who did what.

Against the Hulk with that blast. He also let Glads know he could create such a specific frequency 🙂

He only drained hulk.

He only stated so. He never actually did that.

You don't have him creating any specific frequency as well, do you?

Forget kryptonite, prove Surfer can even produce red sun radiation now.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Hahaha, what? Drained characters become powerless as well.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Exactly, he can drain with an energy blast. It does not means it was something else.

What you're trying to say is exactly opposite of what the comic says.

It was just draining. Nothing else.

Hey if he can create a specific kind of energy that exploits Hulk's radiation based weaknesses... seems pretty relevant to the discussion. He wasn't simply absorbing energy as he'd done previously. Hell that's the exact kind of thing you were asking for on page two when you questioned why he never used gamma radiation to revert the Hulk to human form.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Then they are wrong too. Simple as that.

lol

Originally posted by abhilegend
Then why have you failed to produce a single feat of such other than a statement which turned out to be a bluff?

Where are the feats dude? You're only talking out of your ass now.

It didn't just turn out to be a bluff.

I already told you, stuff like his showings against Wonderman, Jack of Hearts, and that demon looking chick. Those are instances of him exploiting weaknesses other than draining... duh.

Originally posted by abhilegend
😂

Those were only draining. You're objectively wrong again.

Him creating a specific kind of energy which was draining Hulk.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You never posted anything that shows he can detect weakness like Karnak.

You showed him stating that he knows Gladiator's weakness.

So did Hulk out of blue.

So did Rocket Raccoon and Rachel Summers.

So did Skrulls.

So did Shiar Emperor.

Do all these characters detect weakness too?

You're obsessing over the wrong aspect of it. It's not a big deal that he knew there was a weakness, it's that he knew could detect the specific frequency of radiation to do the job. No matter what he knows that Supes has the vulnerability in accordance with forum rules. Either His cosmic senses/cosmic awareness will clue him in on the specific frequency necessary to do the job or he doesn't need to know the specific frequency and just "wills" K-nite blasts and leaves the details up to the power cosmic.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You simply can't at this point. Interpretation that Surfer was doing anything but draining hulk in SS 125 merely confirms it.

With a form of energy...

Originally posted by abhilegend
Post those then. Let's see who did what.

He only drained hulk.

He only stated so. He never actually did that.

You don't have him creating any specific frequency as well, do you?

Forget kryptonite, prove Surfer can even produce red sun radiation now.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6X_W5ucHCZhM251WlNwUnBXRmc/view

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6X_W5ucHCZhVDN1b2R1Ty01NkE/view

All anyone else did was to try to get YOU to start debating.

And do we really need to start ANOTHER quote string debating what's already being debated?

Originally posted by darthgoober
Honestly, if we were going to do it we should probably do it right this time. Something like letting us just go until we've made all our points then make a closing statement to the judges that doesn't introduce anything new to the discussion but rather just sums up the point(s) of our arguements.

You just say the word and ill put it on. If Abhilegend agrees of course, but I would think you'd both be interested.

Goober knows how to set Abhi off. It's fun to watch him suffer. Goober understands Abhi's points better than he does and all Abhi really ever does is scan dump.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lobo uses his weakness awareness power, to pinpoint Surfers weaknesses and exploit them.

[QUOTE=16383107]Originally posted by TethAdamTheRock
[B]How many wins out of ten

1. Superman - 100
2. Orion - 1,000
3. Captain Marvel 1,000,000
4. Lobo - 1,000,000,000
5. Martian Manhunter - 1,000,000,000,000
6. Captain Atom - 1,000,000,000,000,000
7. Wonder Woman 1,000,000,000,000,000,000
8. Bizzaro - 1

How many wins out of ten

1. Superman - 0.0000000001
2. Orion - 0.000001
3. Captain Marvel 0.000001
4. Lobo - 0.000000001
5. Martian Manhunter - 0.1
6. Captain Atom - 0.0000001
7. Wonder Woman -0.1
8. Bizzaro - 1

Originally posted by darthgoober
But as we saw, he didn't drain her

Where did you find that?

Hey if he can create a specific kind of energy that exploits Hulk's radiation based weaknesses... seems pretty relevant to the discussion. He wasn't simply absorbing energy as he'd done previously. Hell that's the exact kind of thing you were asking for on page two when you questioned why he never used gamma radiation to revert the Hulk to human form.

Except he was just draining Hulk. There was no radiation based attack there, he even says what he is doing is exactly the same thing he did in Hulk 250.

lol

Yep, two wrongs don't make a right. Surely you were taught that?

It didn't just turn out to be a bluff.

Yes, it did. Unless you show me him actually doing it against Gladiator.

I already told you, stuff like his showings against Wonderman, Jack of Hearts, and that demon looking chick. Those are instances of him exploiting weaknesses other than draining... duh.

None of them are radiation based exploitation.

Him creating a specific kind of energy which was draining Hulk.

He was just draining hulk Goober. That was straight up said.

The fact that you can't accept what is simply said in Comic shows how desperate you are.

You're obsessing over the wrong aspect of it. It's not a big deal that he knew there was a weakness, it's that he knew could detect the specific frequency of radiation to do the job. No matter what he knows that Supes has the vulnerability in accordance with forum rules. Either His cosmic senses/cosmic awareness will clue him in on the specific frequency necessary to do the job or he doesn't need to know the specific frequency and just "wills" K-nite blasts and leaves the details up to the power cosmic.

But you haven't even shown him able to produce specific radiation too.

Not to mention even knowing the weakness.

Prove both first and then you can claim these.

With a form of energy...

LMAO, it was simply artistic interpretation. Surfer was draining hulk just like Hulk 250.

You're beyond hopeless at this point.

Originally posted by darthgoober
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6X_W5ucHCZhM251WlNwUnBXRmc/view

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6X_W5ucHCZhVDN1b2R1Ty01NkE/view

All anyone else did was to try to get YOU to start debating.

Debating on what? Your incredibly shitty "first post"?

What was I supposed to say? Appeal to judges?

I repeatedly asked you to post your actual argument so that it could be argued against.

But you didn't.

And do we really need to start ANOTHER quote string debating what's already being debated?

Sure, why not?

Why did you put "first post" in quotations?

Are you implying that he didn't post?

Originally posted by krisblaze
Why did you put "first post" in quotations?

Are you implying that he didn't post?

It was like seeing an actual real life diva.

I still laugh at that.