Strange is probably #1, at least with cape, though that's more of a impression. Thor comes after him, and Vision is probably > Hulk / Kurse due to his intangibility. Iron Man and Loki are close to each other, but I might would put Tony above him in a battle. Spiderman is last, and I dunno about Wanda.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Loki was standing on a sidewalk when Strange drew him in the hole. Again, not fighting. Do you understand the difference between fighting and not fighting?Tell you what, how bout you just post vids of Strange doing the things you claim he can do while fighting. The movie has been out some time now so youtube clips should be easily found.
Lol what kind of logic is that!? Doesn't mean he cant/wont replicate it when fighting!
Strange could put all of them into a pocket dimension or create a mirror dimension where none would know what is going on!
You know what i got a feeling you either didn't watch the movie or just forgot about it!
Check my next post, i'll post screen feats there.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
I think Josh’s point is that given Strange’s vast improvement at teleportation by the time of Ragnarok, that his energy weapons and shields have probably also vastly improved, and that he can likely reality warp by now as well.That might or might not be true but we have to wait and see.
As usual Josh will go by his preferred assumptions and Wiki, than by on screen feats.
An argument could be made for Strange to be no.1 though via BFR alone though.
Also I like how Josh refuses to rank everyone after Strange, because then he’d have to put both Thor and Vision above Hulk.
Hello Darth Thor!
Ohh don't tell me you are really going to support Thor as #1 Avenger here!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Does your fanaticism reach that level!?
No am drawing logical conclusions from the movie Dr. Strange! Which occured 1 year prior to Thor Ragnarok. Which means that Dr. Strange had 1 year to train, and increase his powers and abilities!
It's called logic, am afraid you are not familiarized with the term.
For all of those who forgot who Dr. Strange is! (FrothByte)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JC7Fdp-2-VY
Minute 3:15: Strange is sent to the Everest! His mission create a portal or die on the Everest. Strange succeeded and has clearly mastered Portal creation, which is REALITY WARPING!
Minute 3:30: Strange confirms his Reality Warping abilities!
Minute 5 : Strange is clearly creating minor Mirror dimensions to evade blows from Kaecilious gang. He also create Energy shields! Which falls under Energy Manipulation.
Minute 5:50: Confirmation of his mastering over Energy Manipulation.
Although the fight scenes are minor, you can already witness Strange huge ability for learning! He has already mastered several abilities that would take years to learn.
Now taken into consideration that what we've seen occurs 1 year previously to Thor Ragnarok, IT'S OBVIOUS THAT HIS POWERS HAVE DRAMATICALLY INCREASED!
Strange is #1 without a doubt.
Depends on the context of the BFR IMO. If you, for example, BFR someone purely to survive, then yeah, I would say that's more of a draw. But if, for example, you can BFR someone into a volcano and kill them, or 5 miles up into the air and let them plummet to their death, I would say that's a win for you. Or not even something lethal, really. Just in a way where you actually incapacitate them. I mean some characters' entire powerset revolve around teleporting/portals.
Originally posted by FrothByte
We have to clarify with the OP if bfr is considered a win. I don't, because all it really does is cause a stalemate. But I'll let OP make that call.
Thor comes all charged up and Steven just creates a portal and sends him to hell.
Then puts every other Avenger in pocket dimensions until they declare him #1!
I see a clear victor here.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Depends on the context of the BFR IMO. If you, for example, BFR someone purely to survive, then yeah, I would say that's more of a draw. But if, for example, you can BFR someone into a volcano and kill them, I would say that's a win for you. I mean some characters' entire powerset revolve around teleporting/portals.
Yeah.
Originally posted by Josh_AlexanderNow taken into consideration that what we've seen occurs 1 year previously to Thor Ragnarok, IT'S OBVIOUS THAT HIS POWERS HAVE DRAMATICALLY INCREASED!
Perhaps but you can't quantify if his energy blasts and shields would be powerful enough to hurt and withstand Thor.
Originally posted by FrothByte
We have to clarify with the OP if bfr is considered a win. I don't, because all it really does is cause a stalemate. But I'll let OP make that call.
Can't see any clear rulings in the movie versus forum. But in the comic versus forum a BFR counts as a win if the one being BRF'd can't return under his own power in a reasonable amount of time.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Perhaps but you can't quantify if his energy blasts and shields would be powerful enough to hurt and withstand Thor.
No, but his Reality Warping makes Thor Powers useless.
Thor casts a punch, and Steven creates a portal sending Thor's punch right back to his face.
We saw how Steven locked Loki in a pocket dimension in TR. That is something he had to learn after the events of Dr. Strange.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
No, but his Reality Warping makes Thor Powers useless.Thor casts a punch, and Steven creates a portal sending Thor's punch right back to his face.
We saw how Steven locked Loki in a pocket dimension in TR. That is something he had to learn after the events of Dr. Strange.
Okay now you’re just making up combat feats we’ve never seen.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Okay now you’re just making up combat feats we’ve never seen.
What!? LOL.
Strange can create portals! That means he can create a portal between him and Thor's punch! The portal then leads his punch back to Thor's face!
Lol, where is the impossibility in that!?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JC7Fdp-2-VY
Check minute 3:30
Just admit Strange beats them all! I think that should be DAMN TOO OBVIOUS.
Originally posted by Ursumeles
Strange cheapshotted Loki. It's impressive regardless tho.
It was comical.
I mean Loki was always the one tricking his opponents with magic, this time he was the one tricked.
Loki even rails up against strange when he is brought back from that dimension!
It's evidence Strange is at another level.
Originally posted by Josh_AlexanderStrange can create portals! That means he can create a portal between him and Thor's punch! The portal then leads his punch back to Thor's face!
Combat feats are very different to other feats. You have to prove he can do what you just said mid-combat.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JC7Fdp-2-VYCheck minute 3:30
All he did was pick up a book from a location he'd already prepped for, and within their magical home.
You have to prove he can do that to wherever he likes mid-fight to someone whose so fast that Hulk can hardly land a single hit on him.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Just admit Strange beats them all! I think that should be DAMN TOO OBVIOUS.
Originally posted by ME
An argument could be made for Strange to be no.1 though via BFR alone though.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Combat feats are very different to other feats. You have to prove he can do what you just said mid-combat.All he did was pick up a book from a location he'd already prepped for, and within their magical home.
You have to prove he can do that to wherever he likes mid-fight to someone whose so fast that Hulk can hardly land a single hit on him.
I don't have to prove you anything. I already proved that Strange can create portals with ease. That means he can create portals as he sees fit.
BFR isn't limited. Therefore Strange is #1.
Strange puts them all in a pocket dimension or sends them to empty space where most would die due to the lack of oxygen!
Strange wins.
Some thoughts on Dr. Strange.
1. He needs time to make portals. When he opened that portal on Loki's feet, Loki had a few seconds to wonder what was going on and talk to Thor. In a fight where Loki know's what's going on, he could easily have stepped outside of that. When Strange made the portal to Norway, he had to consult a number of books before being able to create it. In his movie, he had to concentrate and use hand gestures to create portals... kinda hard to do if you're defending yourself. He cannot instantly create portals that I've seen.
2. We have not seen Dr. Strange teleport his enemies inside volcanoes, under water, 100 feet in the air, etc. All of which, had he been capable of doing, would have vastly been effective in his fight against his opponents in his movie. Though these are valid tactics, they are currently unsupported by feats. It seems that Strange needs to know exactly where to teleport someone and can't just wish them away in some random volcano. If anyone has feats to prove contrary then I will acknowledge it.
3. Strange was teleporting without issue inside his mansion but he was only doing so in short distances. He wasn't teleporting through vast distances and he was doing so inside the Sanctum, which in itself is magical. We don't know if he can replicate this in a neutral arena that's unfamiliar to him.
4. BFR's are pretty much the only way Strange can win these fights since he doesn't have the firepower or strength to take out most of the other fighters. But it begs the question of whether he can create portals faster than his opponents can blast him apart, since some of the other fighters have faster "quick draw" moves than him.
5. Creating teleportation portals isn't reality warping. You're simply finding a way to condense time and space, not completely changing reality.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
I don't have to prove you anything. I already proved that Strange can create portals with ease. That means he can create portals as he sees fit.BFR isn't limited. Therefore Strange is #1.
Strange puts them all in a pocket dimension or sends them to empty space where most would die due to the lack of oxygen!
Strange wins.
Strange needs time to create portals. In the time that he creates a portal, Scarlet Witch could easily have torn him up with TK, Vision could blast him with his infinity stone, IM could have hit him with repulsors, Thor could have zapped him with lightning, Loki could have hit him with a knife.
The portals will work great on the pure brutes like Hulk and Kurse, won't work so well with those with range attacks that are launched faster than Strange can create portals.