Originally posted by FrothByte
Some thoughts on Dr. Strange.1. He needs time to make portals. When he opened that portal on Loki's feet, Loki had a few seconds to wonder what was going on and talk to Thor. In a fight where Loki know's what's going on, he could easily have stepped outside of that. When Strange made the portal to Norway, he had to consult a number of books before being able to create it. In his movie, he had to concentrate and use hand gestures to create portals... kinda hard to do if you're defending yourself. He cannot instantly create portals that I've seen.
2. We have not seen Dr. Strange teleport his enemies inside volcanoes, under water, 100 feet in the air, etc. All of which, had he been capable of doing, would have vastly been effective in his fight against his opponents in his movie. Though these are valid tactics, they are currently unsupported by feats. It seems that Strange needs to know exactly where to teleport someone and can't just wish them away in some random volcano. If anyone has feats to prove contrary then I will acknowledge it.
3. Strange was teleporting without issue inside his mansion but he was only doing so in short distances. He wasn't teleporting through vast distances and he was doing so inside the Sanctum, which in itself is magical. We don't know if he can replicate this in a neutral arena that's unfamiliar to him.
4. BFR's are pretty much the only way Strange can win these fights since he doesn't have the firepower or strength to take out most of the other fighters. But it begs the question of whether he can create portals faster than his opponents can blast him apart, since some of the other fighters have faster "quick draw" moves than him.
5. Creating teleportation portals isn't reality warping. You're simply finding a way to condense time and space, not completely changing reality.
1 & 2: That's assuming there is prep time and basic knowledge on their foes. Strange's existence is only known by Thor and Loki. Loki who's magic is way above the Avengers isn't taking part in this fight. Thor would likely focus on Hulk or IM.
An exact point in Norway, not the same as teleporting someone at a random place in space/ocean/volcano. Maybe Strange needed the coordinates of Odin's location.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmSb4VYAUhU
Minute 2:00: Strange creates a portal in less than 10 seconds and without need to read a book.
Strange was basically a noob when he faced Kaecilious and Dormammu, and still in his limited time to learn was able to dominate the Eye of Agamotto and master teleportation. Now give Strange another year of practice and knoweldge. It would be unwise to think that his powers haven't MASSIVELY INCREASED.
3. No he teleported from the Everest to the Mansion...That's not a short distance...
4. The very fact that Strange had to make a portal from EVEREST to the SANCTUM proves that he doesn't have to be INSIDE the sanctum to make such, and also proves that distance isn't limited neither.
5. .............EHHHHH......Condensing time and space is reality warping........If you manage to change reality you are a reality warper....
Originally posted by FrothByte
Strange needs time to create portals. In the time that he creates a portal, Scarlet Witch could easily have torn him up with TK, Vision could blast him with his infinity stone, IM could have hit him with repulsors, Thor could have zapped him with lightning, Loki could have hit him with a knife.The portals will work great on the pure brutes like Hulk and Kurse, won't work so well with those with range attacks that are launched faster than Strange can create portals.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmSb4VYAUhU
Minute 2:05 proves he can do it quite fast.
That's assuming all avengers know of Strange's existence and ability and DECIDE to take counter measures.
Furthermore, the Cape of Levitation and Stranges Energy Manipulation still give him a good defense meanwhile he warps them all into pocket dimensions.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Not really.He won't BFR them, he would send them to places where they'd die. e.g. Outer Space, to the Earth's core, to the deepest part of the Ocean.
Strange is still number 1.
Care to back up those claims with feats? I don't recall Strange ever doing those things.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
That’s completely different to what you’re claiming he’ll do which is- opening a portal and sucking Hulk/Thor into it leading to any dangerous place he likes, before either of them can punch him.
Well if Hulk or Thor comes after him, then he creates a portal just before them.
By the time they stop to realize what's happened, the portal is closed!
It's really stupid to assume Strange wouldn't be able to do so.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
1 & 2: That's assuming there is prep time and basic knowledge on their foes. Strange's existence is only known by Thor and Loki. Loki who's magic is way above the Avengers isn't taking part in this fight. Thor would likely focus on Hulk or IM.An exact point in Norway, not the same as teleporting someone at a random place in space/ocean/volcano. Maybe Strange needed the coordinates of Odin's location.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmSb4VYAUhU
Minute 2:00: Strange creates a portal in less than 10 seconds and without need to read a book.
Strange was basically a noob when he faced Kaecilious and Dormammu, and still in his limited time to learn was able to dominate the Eye of Agamotto and master teleportation. Now give Strange another year of practice and knoweldge. It would be unwise to think that his powers haven't MASSIVELY INCREASED.
3. No he teleported from the Everest to the Mansion...That's not a short distance...
4. The very fact that Strange had to make a portal from EVEREST to the SANCTUM proves that he doesn't have to be INSIDE the sanctum to make such, and also proves that distance isn't limited neither.
5. .............EHHHHH......Condensing time and space is reality warping........If you manage to change reality you are a reality warper....
1. Loki is in this fight. You're right, there is no prep, meaning Dr. Strange would be at a disadvantage because he needs prep to make his portals. If I'm not mistaken, this fight is not a free for all rumble. It's a 1 on 1 round robin.
2. You said Strange takes less than 10 seconds to make a portal. Well, Thor, IM, Wanda, Vision and Loki only need a split second to launch their attacks and unless Strange puts up his shields, he'll be dead way before he gets to finish his portal.
3. He teleported from Mt. Everest by making a portal, not just teleporting at will.
4. See #3. There's a difference between making a portal and casually teleporting yourself with but a thought.
5. If that's what your definition is for reality warping then Thor, Vision, Wanda and Vision are all reality warpers.
Originally posted by FrothByte
1. Loki is in this fight. You're right, there is no prep, meaning Dr. Strange would be at a disadvantage because he needs prep to make his portals. If I'm not mistaken, this fight is not a free for all rumble. It's a 1 on 1 round robin.2. You said Strange takes less than 10 seconds to make a portal. Well, Thor, IM, Wanda, Vision and Loki only need a split second to launch their attacks and unless Strange puts up his shields, he'll be dead way before he gets to finish his portal.
3. He teleported from Mt. Everest by making a portal, not just teleporting at will.
4. See #3. There's a difference between making a portal and casually teleporting yourself with but a thought.
5. If that's what your definition is for reality warping then Thor, Vision, Wanda and Vision are all reality warpers.
1. Sorry, i didn't saw Loki. OP didn't state prep time, so no.
2. Strange will defend himself ofcourse. He will use his energy manipulation to defend and counterattack. When the moment is apt he will create the portals. He can also fly, and keep distance.
3. Well it shows he can create a portal regardless the place and to wherever he wants.
4. He teleported through a portal.
5. No they are not. They are Energy manipulators.
RW has to do with manipulation of the time/space fabric. Turn a rabbit into an Elephant, bend space by creating a portal, etc.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
1. Sorry, i didn't saw Loki. OP didn't state prep time, so no.2. Strange will defend himself ofcourse. He will use his energy manipulation to defend and counterattack. When the moment is apt he will create the portals. He can also fly, and keep distance.
3. Well it shows he can create a portal regardless the place and to wherever he wants.
4. He teleported through a portal.
5. No they are not. They are Energy manipulators.
RW has to do with manipulation of the time/space fabric. Turn a rabbit into an Elephant, bend space by creating a portal, etc.
1. Acknowledged.
2. Strange needs his hands to perform the actions when creating a portal. He also needs them when making shields. He also needs them when making weapons and attacking. Meaning he can't attack, defend and create portals all at the same time. So how is he going to create a portal while getting hammered by very strong forces from his foes?
3. Correction, he can create a portal to a location that he knows. Has Strange ever created a portal to a place he hasn't been to or at least researched about (like he did for Norway)?
4. Correct. Which means he had to create the portal first. He couldn't just teleport on a whim.
5. If you consider bending time and space as reality warping then the bifrost is a reality warper, same with Odin, same with all the spaceships that can travel through space in a short amount of time.
Originally posted by FrothByte
1. Acknowledged.
2. Strange needs his hands to perform the actions when creating a portal. He also needs them when making shields. He also needs them when making weapons and attacking. Meaning he can't attack, defend and create portals all at the same time. So how is he going to create a portal while getting hammered by very strong forces from his foes?3. Correction, he can create a portal to a location that he knows. Has Strange ever created a portal to a place he hasn't been to or at least researched about (like he did for Norway)?
4. Correct. Which means he had to create the portal first. He couldn't just teleport on a whim.
5. If you consider bending time and space as reality warping then the bifrost is a reality warper, same with Odin, same with all the spaceships that can travel through space in a short amount of time.
2. He keeps distance, his cape still protects him and seems to have knowledge of the surroundings.
Strange uses his RW abilities to create various illusions, and when the time is right creates portals.
Also remember that it's an ALL VS fight, isn't like they are all attacking Strange at the same time. So he could create portals for the ones not fighting him too, which makes it easier.
3. An exact location in Norway. I don't think Strange would find problems creating portals to a random place on space/ocean/center of the earth.
4. Yeah. But he can create portals in the floor, as seen when he captured Loki. Also he can create portals in front of him, any attack would be wasted.
5. Cars aren't considered reality warpers. But in that aspect they would fall maybe under space manipulators.
Reality requires the full package.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
2. He keeps distance, his cape still protects him and seems to have knowledge of the surroundings.Strange uses his RW abilities to create various illusions, and when the time is right creates portals.
Also remember that it's an ALL VS fight, isn't like they are all attacking Strange at the same time. So he could create portals for the ones not fighting him too, which makes it easier.
3. An exact location in Norway. I don't think Strange would find problems creating portals to a random place on space/ocean/center of the earth.
4. Yeah. But he can create portals in the floor, as seen when he captured Loki. Also he can create portals in front of him, any attack would be wasted.
5. Cars aren't considered reality warpers. But in that aspect they would fall maybe under space manipulators.
Reality requires the full package.
2. Strange's cape has never protected him from attacks as strong as the ones the top hitters in this fight will be launching. And no, this isn't an ALL vs. fight. What various illusions does Strange make?
3. An exact location in Norway that he already knew about before hand and had to read books to prepare for.
4. Yeah he can create portals on the floor and in front of him. He still needs time to make them.