Originally posted by Surtur
People get guns exactly for the "what if" scenarios though. "What if something happens to me or my family?"
Don't misunderstand me, I'm not against someone owning a gun, especially for protection, but there's got to be certain regulations and safeties implemented.
Originally posted by MythLord
There are other, potentially safer, ways to deal with those scenarios, though.Don't misunderstand me, I'm not against someone owning a gun, especially for protection, but there's got to be certain regulations and safeties implemented.
But how do you implement it? How do you force people to put their gun in a safe? I don't get how it would be enforced. At best, you'd be fining/jailing people after the fact.
Originally posted by Surtur
But how do you implement it? How do you force people to put their gun in a safe? I don't get how it would be enforced. At best, you'd be fining/jailing people after the fact.
Wouldn't it be more like how suicide is illegal though? It's more of creating a social taboo against not locking up your guns.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
With strong deterrents to begin with as in Massachusetts i.e.Coupled with random annual inspections or something similar as is done in Japan. Individuals may still attempt to get with evading the law but most aren't going risk a $7,500 fine and/or jail time.
How bizarre that the vast majority of gun crime is committed with illegal guns. hmmm
Originally posted by DarthSkywalker0
How bizarre that the vast majority of gun crime is committed with illegal guns. hmmm
ABC ran a study that showed only 57% of parents who owned guns locked them away in a place where their child could not access them. In 1998, 55% of gun deaths (still from that ABC article) among children 10-18 in North Carolina were homicides and 39% being suicide saying, "Most teens...who commit suicide do it with a gun they find in the home."
I think we could at least focus on trying to encourage or create some type of societal pressure to prevent gun owners from leaving their guns in easily accessible locations.
Originally posted by Playmaker
ABC ran a study that showed only 57% of parents who owned guns locked them away in a place where their child could not access them. In 1998, 55% of gun deaths (still from that ABC article) among children 10-18 in North Carolina were homicides and 39% being suicide saying, "Most teens...who commit suicide do it with a gun they find in the home."I think we could at least focus on trying to encourage or create some type of societal pressure to prevent gun owners from leaving their guns in easily accessible locations.
Originally posted by MythLord
Why is it that most pro-gun arguments are completely made up of reaching What-If scenarios?What if I was in the shower when the murderer broke into my house? Should I take my gun to the shower?
What if he pulls a Han Solo and shoots first?
What if he's wearing a bulletproof vest?
What if he's not actually a human being, but an Eldritch monster that disguised itself meticulously as one of our kin in order to eat our brains?
How come anti-gun arguments are completely made up of straw man? Ok, I'll make a fact-based argument. My post can be found here:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=405188&pagenumber=3239
Originally posted by Emperordmb
IIRC there's evidence that gun control only reduces suicides with guns not the overall suicide rate so this problem won't really be solved. You'll just get displacement to a different method of suicide.
I'm not advocating for gun control. Just that parents should keep their guns safe and secure. That's a very simple fix right there because tackling the suicide rates itself is going to take a bit more time. So the least we can do for now is try to limit their possible options and remove one of the deadliest methods for suicide.
Also why are democrats not discussing Obama's PROMISE program more and its utter failures? Are they so deranged about protecting his legacy they will ignore it?
And then they will whine and blame shootings on the NRA. Little weasels.
Think about having these people in power again. Wow lol. And they whine over Trump. It's like a sick joke.
Originally posted by Playmaker
Broadcenter.org notes, "90 percent of students in the PROMISE program have avoided recommitting offenses." How is that an utter failure?
I said the programs utter failures. Never said it has never worked, but we have stuff like this that is not being discussed:
Originally posted by Surtur
Actually this reminds me of something:Did Lax Obama-Era School-Discipline Policies Enable the Parkland Shooter?
[b]"Yesterday Paul Sperry of RealClearInvestigations published a comprehensive report that reached an explosive conclusion:
Despite committing a string of arrestable offenses on campus before the Florida school shooting, Nikolas Cruz was able to escape the attention of law enforcement, pass a background check and purchase the weapon he used to slaughter three staff members and 14 fellow students because of Obama administration efforts to make school discipline more lenient.
Overstatement? Perhaps, but it contains an important element of truth. In 2013, the Broward County school board entered into an agreement with multiple law-enforcement agencies — including the Broward County sheriff — designed to limit the number of on-campus arrests.
Obama education secretary Arne Duncan even highlighted Broward County’s efforts to reduce out-of-school suspensions and try alternative forms of discipline. Broward County was reportedly “one of 53 major school districts” to adopt Obama-administration guidelines designed in part to limit law-enforcement involvement in school discipline.
Sperry quoted Peter Kirsanow, a conservative member of the Commission on Civil Rights:
Broward County adopted a lenient disciplinary policy similar to those adopted by many other districts under pressure from the Obama administration to reduce racial “disparities” in suspensions and expulsions. . . . In many of these districts, the drive to “get our numbers right” has produced disastrous results, with startling increases in both the number and severity of disciplinary offenses, including assaults and beatings of teachers and students.
Sperry also wrote a comprehensive essay for the New York Post in December outlining how lax discipline policies where enabling a wave of violence against teachers and students. He detailed incidents across the country, including mass resignations of teachers after escalating assaults.
In local news reports at least one former Broward school-resource officer has spoken bluntly about the pressure not to arrest students and said that the number of resource officers was cut in half."
And there is more to it:
"As Sperry relates, lax discipline meant that the Parkland shooter not only had no criminal record when he purchased his rifle, he didn’t even have the arrest record that may well have spurred additional inquiry when people did report their concerns to the FBI. Recall, he was disciplined for fighting, for assault, and for bringing bullets to school.
The upshot was that the lack of an arrest record made it difficult for police to confirm that Cruz was a proven threat and to intervene when they received call-in tips and complaints from neighbors, classmates and relatives about his stockpiling of weapons and desire to kill people, law enforcement officials say." [/B]