Originally posted by jaden101
Anybody?
The car is always a bad example to use. I'd rather use hammers and clubs. I don't know the stats for last year, but a few years ago the amount of deaths caused by such things was more than the number of deaths caused by rifles.
Look at this data from 2005-2011:
Btw, compare the number of deaths from fists, etc. to rifles too.
Oh, and notice anything about the number of rifle deaths vs that of handguns?
Originally posted by Firefly218
So why are you against it then? You seem somewhat reasonable, how does someone rationalize that this isn’t even worth trying?
The numbers there were so very low already lol. I mean, it's great they got the number down, but it's a silly comparison if you want to try to point to something that would be super effective here.
And what specifically were the gun law reforms Australia enacted?
Originally posted by SurturThey banned all rapid firing weapons I believe. And the government started a buyback program where the recalled these guns from each individual owner for a tax credit or something
The numbers there were so very low already lol. I mean, it's great they got the number down, but it's a silly comparison if you want to try to point to something that would be super effective here.And what specifically were the gun law reforms Australia enacted?
I don’t know if there’s any tech that can prevent a dangerous gun from being a dangerous gun. But it’s something worth looking into
It was something myself and ddm discussed before.
Geofencing similar to electronic tags used on offenders so that guns only function is designated areas such as the owner's home (for home defence purposes), shooting ranges and hunting areas.
If that's too much for some then using the same technology to disable guns in certain public places such as schools, colleges and universities (for obvious reasons) as well as perhaps heavy civilian areas such as transport hubs, shopping malls, concert venues, sports stadiums.
Then there's fingerprint locking so guns only unlock for registered owners and only licensed gun stores can reset and then reregister new owners so no gun can be sold without a federal record being recorded.
Obviously these technologies are not foolproof and some may have the knowhow and capability to circumvent them but it will result in guns becoming safer.
Some question how it will get older guns out of circulation in which case you offer incentives to collectors to trade in old weapons for new ones with the new safety features. You have amnesties for people simply giving up old weapons. Over time all newly manufactured weapons will have to have the new technology as standard (as certain safety features of cars do).
It won't be an overnight solution but it solves the right to own guns issue as well as potentially helping prevent shootings.
Some then argue against the prohibitive cost of implementing these solutions but as with cars eventually the costs lessen the more prevalent they become. No one now complains about the costs of seatbelts and airbags in cars when buying them.
^ Those are awesome ideas. If the costs to implement them do get cheaper, then it’s a great solution. But it’s gonna take government funds to get the research and development going, because gun companies have no profit incentive to makes guns safer. Every time there’s a gun massacre, gun companies make even more money.
And as long as the NRA lives and breathes, there will be no government resources spent on making guns safer. But who knows
Originally posted by jaden101
It was something myself and ddm discussed before.Geofencing similar to electronic tags used on offenders so that guns only function is designated areas such as the owner's home (for home defence purposes), shooting ranges and hunting areas.
If that's too much for some then using the same technology to disable guns in certain public places such as schools, colleges and universities (for obvious reasons) as well as perhaps heavy civilian areas such as transport hubs, shopping malls, concert venues, sports stadiums.
Then there's fingerprint locking so guns only unlock for registered owners and only licensed gun stores can reset and then reregister new owners so no gun can be sold without a federal record being recorded.
Obviously these technologies are not foolproof and some may have the knowhow and capability to circumvent them but it will result in guns becoming safer.
Some question how it will get older guns out of circulation in which case you offer incentives to collectors to trade in old weapons for new ones with the new safety features. You have amnesties for people simply giving up old weapons. Over time all newly manufactured weapons will have to have the new technology as standard (as certain safety features of cars do).
It won't be an overnight solution but it solves the right to own guns issue as well as potentially helping prevent shootings.
Some then argue against the prohibitive cost of implementing these solutions but as with cars eventually the costs lessen the more prevalent they become. No one now complains about the costs of seatbelts and airbags in cars when buying them.
Like I said, I'm not against added technology as an option. but they'd need to be reliable and not drastically increase the price. but you're not going to get collectors to give up with old guns.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Like I said, I'm not against added technology as an option. but they'd need to be reliable and not drastically increase the price. but you're not going to get collectors to give up with old guns.
As I said, the technology already exists and is reliable and cheap.
But yes, the gun "culture" is a bigger hurdle. Some guns are considered classics and have historical significance much like cars do so much like old cars you'd never get everyone to give up all of them for newer models with more safety features.
But over time the safer models would largely replace the current ones.