Originally posted by Kurk
Were the people involved in this retarded or something? So apparently this dude was on high alert for half-a-year but it still didn't click with them to report him to the FBI, etc?
The FBI were apparently aware of comments he'd made on YouTube that he was going to be "a professional school shooter" but were unable to identify him.
Originally posted by jaden101
As I said, the technology already exists and is reliable and cheap.But yes, the gun "culture" is a bigger hurdle. Some guns are considered classics and have historical significance much like cars do so much like old cars you'd never get everyone to give up all of them for newer models with more safety features.
But over time the safer models would largely replace the current ones.
But never applied to guns before that I know of, so people would have to show that it's compatible with firearms, including things like the additions not effecting the weapons performance. and define cheap. how much would it add the price of a firearm?
Originally posted by Silent Master
But never applied to guns before that I know of, so people would have to show that it's compatible with firearms, including things like the additions not effecting the weapons performance. and define cheap. how much would it add the price of a firearm?
Fingerprint sensors on phones are currently about $3 and expected to be less than $2 by 2020.
A shopping cart with geofencing wheel locks cost about $100 but I couldn't find a breakdown for the cost of the actual locking unit itself and I don't know the cost of setting up the perimeters.
https://twitter.com/markpopham/status/964157761427787777
Every time another one of these mass shootings happen - right when the Republicans start telling us that the answer is more guns, guns for everyone, guns for teachers, guns for students - I think about Chris Kyle.
Chris Kyle was the American Sniper guy - a highly decorated Navy Seal sniper with 150 confirmed kills in the Iraq War. Whatever else is true about him, he definitely was very good at shooting guns and used to being in combat environments.
On February 2nd, 2013, Kyle and a friend took a 25 year old Marine veteran to a shooting range, in the hope of helping him with his PTSD. On the way Kyle realized that the guy was dangerous, and texted his friend as such; the friend replied affirmatively
If this was a movie the 25 year old would have freaked out and drawn a weapon, and Kyle would have shot him or shot the gun out of his hand or held him at gunpoint. But it wasn't a movie.
What actually happened was a Navy Seal military sniper and his friend were both shot to death with Kyle's own guns. Both of them were armed, and neither had time to even unholster their weapons.
Kyle knew that the man he was with was dangerous. He knew he was armed - he armed him! To the degree that anyone could be forewarned and prepared for a situation, Kyle was. And yet the other guy shot two armed and trained men dead, got in a car and drove away.
I can spend the rest of my life at a gun range and not have the facility with firearms that Chris Kyle did. So how the **** is a gun going to help me, or a terrified social studies teacher, because it doesn't look like it did shit for him.
No amount of training and no gun on your belt is going to let you dodge a bullet or keep it from ripping the life out of you. Every student and teacher at that school could have been trained military personnel with access to weapons and that many people could have still died
We know that because the 2009 Fort Hood shooting - which occurred on a MILITARY BASE - killed 13.
Today a bunch of men are going to go to a gun store and they're going to buy their third or 10th or 25th gun, because this scares them, and they think the gun is going to keep them safe.
They're going to be Action Movie Chris Kyle, not Actual Real Life Murdered Chris Kyle. And it's going to keep on happening. It's going to get worse and worse.
A good point
Originally posted by Silent Master
What exactly do the currrent background checks not cover?
Apparently this:
Originally posted by Kurk
Also looks like he passed the background checks for the gun despite having been institutionalized a mental health clinic....wtf
But yeah, let's rant and rave how more thorough backgrounds checks and better cohesion between our law enforcement agencies is not worth even trying because someone might have to wait an extra week for his precious
Originally posted by Robtard
Thanks for the sum-up 👆I didn't take the commercial's intention as "ban all guns! Period!", that's not sensible, just that our laws should probably be updated to coincide with gun technology/advancements; which is sensible.
I took it to mean the second amendment is not relevant. Not to ban all guns. But we agree for the most part.
Originally posted by jaden101
Fingerprint sensors on phones are currently about $3 and expected to be less than $2 by 2020.A shopping cart with geofencing wheel locks cost about $100 but I couldn't find a breakdown for the cost of the actual locking unit itself and I don't know the cost of setting up the perimeters.
But that's adding a sensor to an already existing computer. I doubt you can add all the tech for such a sensor to a gun for only 3 dollars.
Ok, the cart costs about $100. that still leaves questions like how big is the locking unit, how much does the geofencing itself cost and who'll pay for it's installation.
I'd need to see a report from an actual working prototype before buying that we currently have the tech needed to make this effective, reliable and low cost.
Originally posted by Robtard
Apparently this:But yeah, let's rant and rave how more thorough backgrounds checks and better cohesion between our law enforcement agencies is not worth even trying because someone might have to wait an extra week for his precious
I'm all for background checks looking at mental health records, but good luck getting that passed as I doubt either side would go for it.
Originally posted by RobtardNot sure if you're swiping at me, but I'm for waiting periods; 30ish days for most guns. If you're taking on that responsibility you probably (hopefully) made it over the course of a couple months (at least!). I don't condone impulsive purchases of anything let alone weapons.
Apparently this:But yeah, let's rant and rave how more thorough backgrounds checks and better cohesion between our law enforcement agencies is not worth even trying because someone might have to wait an extra week for his precious
Originally posted by Firefly218
https://twitter.com/markpopham/status/964157761427787777Every time another one of these mass shootings happen - right when the Republicans start telling us that the answer is more guns, guns for everyone, guns for teachers, guns for students - I think about Chris Kyle.
Chris Kyle was the American Sniper guy - a highly decorated Navy Seal sniper with 150 confirmed kills in the Iraq War. Whatever else is true about him, he definitely was very good at shooting guns and used to being in combat environments.
On February 2nd, 2013, Kyle and a friend took a 25 year old Marine veteran to a shooting range, in the hope of helping him with his PTSD. On the way Kyle realized that the guy was dangerous, and texted his friend as such; the friend replied affirmatively
If this was a movie the 25 year old would have freaked out and drawn a weapon, and Kyle would have shot him or shot the gun out of his hand or held him at gunpoint. But it wasn't a movie.
What actually happened was a Navy Seal military sniper and his friend were both shot to death with Kyle's own guns. Both of them were armed, and neither had time to even unholster their weapons.
Kyle knew that the man he was with was dangerous. He knew he was armed - he armed him! To the degree that anyone could be forewarned and prepared for a situation, Kyle was. And yet the other guy shot two armed and trained men dead, got in a car and drove away.
I can spend the rest of my life at a gun range and not have the facility with firearms that Chris Kyle did. So how the **** is a gun going to help me, or a terrified social studies teacher, because it doesn't look like it did shit for him.
No amount of training and no gun on your belt is going to let you dodge a bullet or keep it from ripping the life out of you. Every student and teacher at that school could have been trained military personnel with access to weapons and that many people could have still died
We know that because the 2009 Fort Hood shooting - which occurred on a MILITARY BASE - killed 13.
Today a bunch of men are going to go to a gun store and they're going to buy their third or 10th or 25th gun, because this scares them, and they think the gun is going to keep them safe.
They're going to be Action Movie Chris Kyle, not Actual Real Life Murdered Chris Kyle. And it's going to keep on happening. It's going to get worse and worse.
A good point
Damn, that's powerful imo.
Originally posted by Silent MasterStory in 3 parts:
I'm all for background checks looking at mental health records, but good luck getting that passed as I doubt either side would go for it.
1. Obama made mental illness a part of the gun background checks after Sandy Hook. He signed a law that required gun checks for people with mental illnesses that would take full effect in a couple years.
2. In 2017, Trump signed a bill that nullified gun checks for people with mental illness and destroyed the database and reversed Obama's legislation.
3. In 2018, a mentally ill white nationalist teenager with a history of threatening violence passed the background check and legally purchased a dangerous weapon.
Originally posted by Silent Master
But that's adding a sensor to an already existing computer. I doubt you can add all the tech for such a sensor to a gun for only 3 dollars.Ok, the cart costs about $100. that still leaves questions like how big is the locking unit, how much does the geofencing itself cost and who'll pay for it's installation.
I'd need to see a report from an actual working prototype before buying that we currently have the tech needed to make this effective, reliable and low cost.
Feel free to look up BioFire, iGun, Safe Gun Technology Co and others. There's also magnatrigger and magloc for a less sophisticated method of making guns safe.
Originally posted by Firefly218
Story in 3 parts:1. Obama made mental illness a part of the gun background checks after Sandy Hook. He signed a law that required gun checks for people with mental illnesses that would take full effect in a couple years.
2. In 2017, Trump signed a bill that nullified gun checks for people with mental illness and destroyed the database and reversed Obama's legislation.
3. In 2018, a mentally ill white nationalist teenager with a history of threatening violence passed the background check and legally purchased a dangerous weapon.
That rule was about people receiving social security checks for mental illness, was the recent shooter getting SS payments?
That said, I somewhat agree with Obama on that one.
Originally posted by Silent MasterYeah you right, it wouldn't have filtered out this Florida shooter. That's why the background checks need to be made better, not worse. Obama at least started us on the right track from where we could expand and improve further, but Trump came in and just destroyed all the progress in one fell swoop
That rule was about people receiving social security checks for mental illness, was the recent shooter getting SS payments?That said, I somewhat agree with Obama on that one.
Originally posted by Firefly218
Yeah you right, it wouldn't have filtered out this Florida shooter. That's why the background checks need to be made better, not worse. Obama at least started us on the right track from where we could expand and improve further, but Trump came in and just destroyed all the progress in one fell swoop
Well, I would guess that not all or even most people getting SS checks for mental illnesses are dangers to society. So Obama's idea was a bit off. but I have no problems with those that are being put in a database that a background check could access.
Originally posted by Kurk
Not sure if you're swiping at me, but I'm for waiting periods; 30ish days for most guns. If you're taking on that responsibility you probably (hopefully) made it over the course of a couple months (at least!). I don't condone impulsive purchases of anything let alone weapons.
I was mocking the NRA people who are even against more thorough background checks because it might make them wait a day or *gasp* a week for a weapon, instead of walking in and walking out with an assault rifle same day.