Originally posted by darthgoober
As you said, banning the AR 15 probably won't impact public safety. When that's clear, people will want to ban the next gun of choice, then the one after that, and the one after that, etc.
Hilariously off topic you can buy a handgun with a 30 round standard magazine(does it matter its a .22 which can be a mag or LR?).....what do you hunt or defend with that?
Originally posted by snowdragon
Valid question, then I ask does banning ar-15's prevent you from owning guns?
Originally posted by Silent Master
If you want to ban something, you have to provide a valid reason. so if banning them won't stop mass shootings. what is your valid reason?
I would simply ask a very simple question:
What value does it add to hunting or home defense that can't already be taken care of?
Hmm..nothing so really its impact is minimal why fight it?
Originally posted by snowdragon
Hilariously off topic you can buy a handgun with a 30 round standard magazine(does it matter its a .22 which can be a mag or LR?).....what do you hunt or defend with that?
Originally posted by snowdragon
I would simply ask a very simple question:What value does it add to hunting or home defense that can't already be taken care of?
Hmm..nothing so really its impact is minimal why fight it?
As I said before...
Originally posted by darthgoober
As you said, banning the AR 15 probably won't impact public safety. When that's clear, people will want to ban the next gun of choice, then the one after that, and the one after that, etc.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Well if it doesn't prevent mass shootings OR prevent people from owning guns, then what's the point of banning it? Seems like posing restrictions on the most popular brand of cigarettes because they're the ones who cause the most cancer.
This is a question that is really ridiculous, what IF it doesn't prevent mass shootings.
What if tacos prevented mass shootings, what if we simply prevented a tool that is easy to use to cause said mass shootings less available, would that stop them? Perhaps it wouldn't but why on earth would we allow such terrible easy to abuse weapons into the mass?
Silent Master without his consent has already made a motion to make it easier to ban these guns by virtue of acknowledging you don't even need a bump stock to make them "auto" with a large magazine capacity.
Once again the ULTIMATE question is do we value public safety or guns?.....Is there a constitutional amendment for that, I forget?
Originally posted by snowdragon
This is a question that is really ridiculous, what IF it doesn't prevent mass shootings.What if tacos prevented mass shootings, what if we simply prevented a tool that is easy to use to cause said mass shootings less available, would that stop them? Perhaps it wouldn't but why on earth would we allow such terrible easy to abuse weapons into the mass?
Silent Master without his consent has already made a motion to make it easier to ban these guns by virtue of acknowledging you don't even need a bump stock to make them "auto" with a large magazine capacity.
Once again the ULTIMATE question is do we value public safety or guns?.....Is there a constitutional amendment for that, I forget?
Originally posted by snowdragon
I believe that is a valid point, we then look at that and ask can we legislate behavior, not realistically, not in this situation.Then we look at that situation and ask can we legislate choices for weapons used in mass shootings?
So we make a choice, public safety or personal freedom.
Does banning ar-15's provide public safety, probably not but that imo is the choice we are looking at in this moment.
Shootings with AR-15s are very very rare. I can't see what justifies some people acting like it's some huge public menace, other than pure emotion.
For free speech the one limit we have is that you can't incite violence. I could say something nasty about you, but I can't encourage people to harm you or otherwise incite people into something that could be harmful(screaming fire in a theater). People have been killed in America because they held the wrong belief or said the wrong thing. Imagine if some wanted to further limit speech because of that fact?
I think if people tried to get rid of the 2nd amendment it would fail, I think they would be surprised at how many people would be against it. Also as I'm about to head out for the night I don't feel like looking for the specific incident, but I'm pretty sure we've had school shootings where handguns were used which had death tolls comparable to Florida. You said you own guns. I don't know what kind, but you probably know that if someone only had handguns and they wanted to do a lot of damage they could. Especially if they came with more than 1 handgun on them.
If you take away suicides we have around 10,000-12,000 firearm related deaths per year. Even one death is tragic, but put that in context. We have over 300 million people and an estimated 300 million guns.
Well I'm heading out for the night, nice chatting with you.
Originally posted by darthgoober
The two aren't mutually exclusive, we value both public safety and guns.
They aren't mutually exclusive but they can both be handled in different manners, tell me are you defending your home with an ar-15?
You tell me the last time you hunted with an ar-15 or when you needed it to defend your home.
Originally posted by Surtur
Shootings with AR-15s are very very rare. I can't see what justifies some people acting like it's some huge public menace, other than pure emotion..
Well first off I'm not saying ar-15 are the basis for mass shootings, that's your preposition, my position is that we prevent said actions by preventing easy access of said weapons and magazines.
Originally posted by snowdragon
They aren't mutually exclusive but they can both be handled in different manners, tell me are you defending your home with an ar-15?You tell me the last time you hunted with an ar-15 or when you needed it to defend your home.
Originally posted by snowdragon
Are you seriously asking this, everyone of the mass shootings had one thing common, ar-15.So since we can't legislate behavior we can ban weapons.
That's not true at all, however even if it was true. Where is your proof that banning the AR-15 would stop or lessen mass shootings rather than simply cause they Shooters to pick a different weapon.
Originally posted by Surtur
Shootings with AR-15s are very very rare. I can't see what justifies some people acting like it's some huge public menace, other than pure emotion.
AR-15 variants have been frequently used in mass shootings including 2012 Sandy Hook, 2012 Aurora & the 2015 San Bernadino attack.