Superman vs. Avengers

Originally posted by FrothByte
Yeah and? I never said Superman doesn't have superspeed, I said he doesn't use it all the time. The fact that you can mention a specific instance of him using superspeed already proves my point: That he does not fight continuously in superspeed.

Lol what? Ultron didn't do jack to Vision. Vision knocked himself out by burning out Ultron's presence throughout the internet. Stop making stuff up. Vision has never been hurt from physical attacks that we saw, Superman has.

When has Superman fought continuously in superspeed for an entire fight? Like I said, you want to exaggerate Superman's abilities then we can exaggerate the Avenger's too. You can't claim that Superman will fight OOC while insisting that the Avengers fight in character. It's called a double standard, look it up.

Like I said, stop making stuff up. Vision knocked himself out by his psychic attack on Ultron. Ultron did nothing to Vision. Wanda utilized a psychic attack on Vision. Is Superman capable of psychic attacks?

To be fair, when has vision fought while being intangible the entire fight?

Originally posted by emporerpants
To be fair, when has vision fought while being intangible the entire fight?

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, Superman doesn't beat Thor or the Hulk. Him taking on a team that just resurrected him and held back isn't the same thing as taking on stronger and more powerful heroes such as the Hulk and Thor.

WW lassoed the guy despite his speed edge. He uses it on her and she still hit him afterwards. He isn't this blur who defeats anyone who comes after him like you fanboys imagine him to be. Try being objective. He gets tagged but has the speed edge. Nothing more, fanboy.

Superman uses his super speed and pounds Thor and Hulk into oblivion while they are statues compared to him. Can you think of a reason why that wouldn't happen that doesn't involve lowballing, Batman using k-nite, or out of context situations? Oops, did I just throw out your entire repertoire of arguments due to them being stupid? I did? Ouch. Get your crap out of here fanboy.

Originally posted by FrothByte
^ In much the same way some people are ignoring that Superman won't be able to lay a hand on Vision if he's intangible.

Correct he won't, it would be a stalemate with Superman and an intangible Vision, if Vision choose to remain that way for the whole fight.

But I'm guessing Vision is going to want to attack at some point, thereby he'll need to become tangible and that's when Superman can slip into his super-speed and attack.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The amount of times Superman has fought someone in superspeed from the beginning to the end of the fight. Hypocrite.

Christ kid. My point was that vision doesn't use intangibility the entire fight the same way Supes hasn't used super speed in entire fights before JL. In JL he used it a ton. Like in every fight.

Originally posted by Robtard
Correct he won't, it would be a stalemate with Superman and an intangible Vision, if Vision choose to remain that way for the whole fight.

But I'm guessing Vision is going to want to attack at some point, thereby he'll need to become tangible and that's when Superman can slip into his super-speed and attack.

Originally posted by Robtard
Correct he won't, it would be a stalemate with Superman and an intangible Vision, if Vision choose to remain that way for the whole fight.

But I'm guessing Vision is going to want to attack at some point, thereby he'll need to become tangible and that's when Superman can slip into his super-speed and attack.

Well yeah sure, but a single hit won't take out Vision. If Vision gets hurt enough then he'll smarten up and maintain intangibility. Then it becomes a test of who gets tired first.

Originally posted by emporerpants
Christ kid. My point was that vision doesn't use intangibility the entire fight the same way Supes hasn't used super speed in entire fights before JL. In JL he used it a ton. Like in every fight.

He uses it but he also doesn't put any major player down just as he didn't put down Steppenwolf who had to deal with Superman and the team wailing on him, fanboy.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He doesn't fight like this. WW head butted him right after he used superspeed to prevent her attack and then head butted her. He doesn't just use superspeed and avoid all hits from start to finish. Take every fight he's ever had. Your DC bias is rearing its nasty head. Powerset debating is ignoring the character. Poor form.

When did I say "Superman will be in super speed the whole fight" here? I didn't, that's something you're making up. I said Superman could go into super speed when Vision turns solid, which would be Superman fighting in super speed, something we have feats for. Face it, Superman alone is above the Avengers with his latest showing.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Well yeah sure, but a single hit won't take out Vision. If Vision gets hurt enough then he'll smarten up and maintain intangibility. Then it becomes a test of who gets tired first.

If Supes fights smart though he could stay in super speed and hit vision a ton of times before dropping out of super speed. Given what vision has shown for speed, if Supes did that, vision would get hit a ton of times before being able to react to go intangible.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Well yeah sure, but a single hit won't take out Vision. If Vision gets hurt enough then he'll smarten up and maintain intangibility. Then it becomes a test of who gets tired first.

I would say if the fight ends up with Vision having to stay intangible indefinitely to avoid being destroyed, then he would default the match. As it's akin to him running away.

So would the Flash using his superspeed to avoid getting hit against an enemy he can't beat be an example of him defaulting the match?

Originally posted by emporerpants
To be fair, when has vision fought while being intangible the entire fight?

He hasn't and that's my point. Superman has never fought continuously in superspeed for an entire fight and Vision has never fought intangible for an entire fight. Now, we can say they will both fight to the best of their abilities in which case Superman will speed blitz for the entirety of the fight while Vision remains intangible for the entire fight unless he needs to attack.

Or we could take them as they normally fight in which case they only use it sporadically.

But we can't apply one standard to Superman and a different one to the Avengers, because that would be some obvious bias.

Originally posted by Silent Master
So would the Flash using his superspeed to avoid getting hit against an enemy he can't beat be an example of him defaulting the match?

The Flash can attack while in superspeed, the Vision can't attack while intangible, right?

Originally posted by Robtard
I would say if the fight ends up with Vision having to stay intangible indefinitely to avoid being destroyed, then he would default the match. As it's akin to him running away.

Not necessarily. Vision (while intangible) can chase after Superman trying to phase a hand through his brain. It may or may not work, but unless Superman wants to take that risk he'll have no choice but to evade Vision's attempts. In this case, it will be Superman running away.

Originally posted by FrothByte
He hasn't and that's my point. Superman has never fought continuously in superspeed for an entire fight and Vision has never fought intangible for an entire fight. Now, we can say they will both fight to the best of their abilities in which case Superman will speed blitz for the entirety of the fight while Vision remains intangible for the entire fight unless he needs to attack.

Or we could take them as they normally fight in which case they only use it sporadically.

But we can't apply one standard to Superman and a different one to the Avengers, because that would be some obvious bias.

I agree with you. I am just of the opinion that once Vision goes tangible Supes would use super speed to make sure he hits him and would stay in it long enough to land a ton of hits before vision can go intangible again, thus winning the fight. If they both just use super speed or being intangible the entire fight, it's a stalemate.

Originally posted by Robtard
The Flash can attack while in superspeed, the Vision can't attack while intangible, right?

I was just wondering about your view on power usage to avoid an enemy. I'm leaning towards Superman winning myself.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Not necessarily. Vision (while intangible) can chase after Superman trying to phase a hand through his brain. It may or may not work, but unless Superman wants to take that risk he'll have no choice but to evade Vision's attempts. In this case, it will be Superman running away.

If we're going with the nonsense of "Vision's going to stay intangible the whole fight", then we must accept the nonsense of Superman's going to be in superspeed the whole fight (fair is fair, right?), so neither can hurt each other here and it goes to as noted earlier a stalemate, with all the other Avengers bruised, bleeding and KO'd.

Not too bad for a 1 Vs 7, right

Originally posted by Robtard
If we're going with the nonsense of "Vision's going to stay intangible the whole fight", then we must accept the nonsense of Superman's going to be in superspeed the whole fight (fair is fair, right?), so neither can hurt each other here and it goes to as noted earlier a stalemate, with all the other Avengers bruised, bleeding and KO'd.

Not too bad for a 1 Vs 7, right

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Originally posted by emporerpants
I agree with you. I am just of the opinion that once Vision goes tangible Supes would use super speed to make sure he hits him and would stay in it long enough to land a ton of hits before vision can go intangible again, thus winning the fight. If they both just use super speed or being intangible the entire fight, it's a stalemate.

Superman is fast but not that fast. Vision can turn intangible at will. Superman can probably land a few hits before Vision will turn intangible again but if you want to claim that that Superman is fast enough to land a ton of hits on Vision before Vision can form a thought then you'll need to back that up with something quantifiable.