Superman vs. Avengers

Originally posted by abhilegend
But it's not out of character for Superman to fight in Superspeed.

And its not like Vision has won a lot of fights being intangible.

Thor is a non factor at this point.

It's not out of character for Superman to use superspeed in a fight. It's out of character for him to move in constant superspeed for the entire fight.

Vision has used intangibility multiple times in pretty much every fight he's been in.

Let's call a spade a spade: You're trying to apply a double standard. If you want to claim that Superman will fight continuously in superspeed then I can just as easily claim that Vision will remain intangible for the entire fight.

Thor is definitely not a 'non-factor'. But we can argue about that later once we've passed the Superman vs. Vision discussion.

They aren't complaining that it's OOC for him to do so, they're saying it's OOC for him to use it for 100% of the fight.

As an example, Thor used charged hammer strikes in mulitple fights. Thus it would be in character for him to do so. however saying that Thor would spam charged hammer strikes would be considered OOC.

Originally posted by abhilegend
But it's not out of character for Superman to fight in Superspeed.

And its not like Vision has won a lot of fights being intangible.

Thor is a non factor at this point.

False, Thor is stronger than WW and has displayed far more powerful than she has. The Avengers>>>>>Justice League to the point it's not even a close fight. The Avengers rape. More powerful, more versatile, more experience, better leadership, and better cohesion as a team.

Originally posted by Psychotron
So no one has super speed unless a character gets a special slow-mo scene to tell retards "Hey guys, I totally have super speed!". No wonder Hollywood execs think the the general audience is full of mouth breathers.

Doomsday gets scaling from Wonder Woman and Superman who both have multiple showings of super speed in combat across several movies. Thor, Hulk, IM, and Vision don't.

Just because they don't add the "slow mode" scene when they fight doesn't mean they aren't superfast!

Either way,

Hela got one of those slow mode scenes when fighting the Asgardian Soldiers!

Thor was seen fighting Hela no issue...prove enough of Thor being fast.

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Originally posted by FrothByte
It's not out of character for Superman to use superspeed in a fight. It's out of character for him to move in constant superspeed for the entire fight.

Like he did against Flash?

Vision has used intangibility multiple times in pretty much every fight he's been in.

Like? Does he wins all of them due to intangiblity?

Let's call a spade a spade: You're trying to apply a double standard. If you want to claim that Superman will fight continuously in superspeed then I can just as easily claim that Vision will remain intangible for the entire fight.

Where did I claim that?

Thor is definitely not a 'non-factor'. But we can argue about that later once we've passed the Superman vs. Vision discussion.

What's there to discuss about Vision? He might get intangible and then when tries to attack Superman by getting tangible as he is prone to do, gets punched in the face.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Like he did against Flash?

Like? Does he wins all of them due to intangiblity?

Where did I claim that?

What's there to discuss about Vision? He might get intangible and then when tries to attack Superman by getting tangible as he is prone to do, gets punched in the face.

Just saw the film. Kal-El owns. Let not the nay-sayers and low-ballers lead you astray.

"Scarlet Witch shields." LMAO

Originally posted by abhilegend
Like he did against Flash?

Like? Does he wins all of them due to intangiblity?

Where did I claim that?

What's there to discuss about Vision? He might get intangible and then when tries to attack Superman by getting tangible as he is prone to do, gets punched in the face.

Yeah, like Superman only did against Flash and not the other JL members.

Vision tore apart a few ultronbots with phasing. And considering that that was the only fight Vision was in that he really wanted to kill his opponent, that's a good percentage.

Vision doesn't need to turn tangible to attack Superman, at least not how you describe it. He can remain intangible all throught, chase Superman around for a few days till he gets tired, wait for a chance to put his arm inside Superman, then turn tangible again.

And even if Vision gets punched in the face, so what? Clark doesn't have the punching output to KO Vision with one hit. We don't even know if Vision can get hurt with a physical attack.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Yeah, like Superman only did against Flash and not the other JL members.

Vision tore apart a few ultronbots with phasing. And considering that that was the only fight Vision was in that he really wanted to kill his opponent, that's a good percentage.

Vision doesn't need to turn tangible to attack Superman, at least not how you describe it. He can remain intangible all throught, chase Superman around for a few days till he gets tired, wait for a chance to put his arm inside Superman, then turn tangible again.

And even if Vision gets punched in the face, so what? Clark doesn't have the punching output to KO Vision with one hit. We don't even know if Vision can get hurt with a physical attack.

Remember when Kitty pride phased Juggernaut into a floor?
Was he killed?
Incapacitated?
Did he get lungfulls of concrete?
Nope. He just threw a (awesome) one-liner at her and resumed the chase.

This is why I do not know why people think Vision's phasing is an auto-win. Vision still had to pull the ultron bots apart to destroy them. He could do that because they are made of weak metal. Kal-El's body is far more durable, and there is no evidence to suggest he could rip apart a Kryptonian's body. Even dead they are incredibly durable, incapable of decay.

We have also never seen Vision phase through an energy attack. Heat vision may (unlikely) have an effect on him, and I believe electricity could f**ck him up
whether solid or intangible. If Kal figures that out Vision is cooked.

Originally posted by TheGrat1
Remember when Kitty pride phased Juggernaut into a floor?
Was he killed?
Incapacitated?
Did he get lungfulls of concrete?
Nope. He just threw a (awesome) one-liner at her and resumed the chase.

This is why I do not know why people think Vision's phasing is an auto-win. Vision still had to pull the ultron bots apart to destroy them. He could do that because they are made of weak metal. Kal-El's body is far more durable, and there is no evidence to suggest he could rip apart a Kryptonian's body. Even dead they are incredibly durable, incapable of decay.

We have also never seen Vision phase through an energy attack. Heat vision may (unlikely) have an effect on him, and I believe electricity could f**ck him up
whether solid or intangible. If Kal figures that out Vision is cooked.

Is Kitty as strong as Vision? As durable? No? Did she ever phase through an opponent and tear them open from the inside? Is concrete as hard and indestructible as vibranium?

Yeah, that's a horrible comparison good sir.

Does Superman suddenly have electric powers?

Originally posted by FrothByte
Is Kitty as strong as Vision? As durable? No? Did she ever phase through an opponent and tear them open from the inside? Is concrete as hard and indestructible as vibranium?

Yeah, that's a horrible comparison good sir.

Does Superman suddenly have electric powers?

Of course she is not. Nor did I imply she is or needs to be.

Vibranium's relative toughness compared to concrete is irrelevant. The point of the example was that being phased into a floor was a minor inconvenience to Juggernaut but in this thread Vision's intangible hand is supposed to ruin Kal's day. And there is no reasoning behind it. No feats to back it. Vision can kill Kal by phasing because we say so. I would reason that being phased into a substance less dense/durable than yourself will not harm you.

The location of the fight is Avengers tower. It has miles of electrical wiring.

lol Vision got twisted by Hawkeye he's a non factor to Superman

Originally posted by TheGrat1
Of course she is not. Nor did I imply she is or needs to be.

Vibranium's relative toughness compared to concrete is irrelevant. The point of the example was that being phased into a floor was a minor inconvenience to Juggernaut but in this thread Vision's intangible hand is supposed to ruin Kal's day. And there is no reasoning behind it. No feats to back it. Vision can kill Kal by phasing because we say so. I would reason that being phased into a substance less dense/durable than yourself will not harm you.

The location of the fight is Avengers tower. It has miles of electrical wiring.

There's a difference between Juggernaut being phased into concrete, and someone phasing a hand through Juggernaut. In one case, Juggernaut is the one who is phased and when he solidifies, his molecules pushes the molecules of the cement apart. If someone phases a hand through Juggs then solidifies, the hand will push the molecules of Juggernaut's body apart.

Again, as I mentioned, your comparison is flawed. You're basically trying to compare a sword with a sheath.

I didn't notice that the fight was in Avengers tower. Even then, how exactly is Superman going to figure out that Vision is susceptible to electricity? Superman isn't known for being a tactical fighter and it's not like Vision will drop hints as to what he's weak against.

As for whether phasing a hand through Superman will kill Superman or not, I'd say it's as wild a guess as saying Superman can take out Vision by pure physical means. But I'm willing to bet a phased hand through Superman's brain is more effective than a punch to Vision's jaw.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He didn't go there to get beaten down by Batman. He actively fought back he just lost. Unless his goal was to beg another man to save his mother while his gf had to intervene to spare his life.

He didn't even ko or beat Batman yet you believe he can do so to the superior team the Avengers. Ridiculous.

He was scanning their defenses and Cyborg has so little control over his own powers he couldn't stop himself. A pitiful team that was learning their powers and couldn't even control themselves.

Steppenwolf was knocked back the entire film. It did nothing significant to stop him or even show him in true pain. Superman did nothing of significance to stop Steppenwolf he just helped beat on him which most of the team had been doing the entire film.

Yes, he went there to talk and Batman used cheap shots and dirty tactics. Superman still tried to talk to him because he's not an edgy autist with mommy issues like Bruce.

Context, you mongoloid.

He saw a weird guy with trident, a skinnny woman in armor and wielding a sword, a twitchy guy in red BDSM gear, and a black guy in a trash can. He was scanning them to see what the hell they were.

Superman literally flattened him and tossed him away. Steppenwolf was so out of it he didn't even try to stop Superman from separating the boxes and ruining his plan.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Learn how to break down quotes you stupid humen being.

The irony.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Just because they don't add the "slow mode" scene when they fight doesn't mean they aren't superfast!

Either way,

Hela got one of those slow mode scenes when fighting the Asgardian Soldiers!

Thor was seen fighting Hela no issue...prove enough of Thor being fast.

Thor's been tagged by Hulk, Iron Man, Loki, Captain America, Kurse etc. Superman's only ever been hit in H2H by other Kryptonians, mutated Kryptonians, and Batman while Clark was depowered.

Which Hela scene are you talking about?

Originally posted by Psychotron
Superman's only ever been hit in H2H by other Kryptonians, mutated Kryptonians, and Batman while Clark was depowered.

So everybody he's ever fought against.

Originally posted by tkitna
So everybody he's ever fought against.

Except Flash, Aquaman and Steppenwolf. Kryptonians and DD are all more powerful than the Avengers by a large margin anyway.

Based on what? Faora was ko'd by a missile. Doomsday couldn't even tag Batman and was struggling with Wonder Woman.