Superman vs. Avengers

Sorry, but Faora being ko'd by a missile is pretty obviously due to sensory overload, as it was clear the kryptonians couldn't deal with the sensory powers initially.

As to the rest, such as arguments that Supes got ko'd by a falling tower, I mean, Clark took a damn nuke remember? He also walked out of the senate explosion in BVS TOTALLY unscathed. Also, MOS VERY CLEARLY says that Superman is learning his powers and growing stronger. Jor-el straight up tells Supes to keep testing his limits and that he is growing stronger. Why is it hard for people to understand that the Superman we see in Justice League is much stronger than the one we saw in MOS? Hell, we see Superman get stronger and more durable throughout the course of MOS itself.

None of the Avengers have feats that come close to Superman. Seriously. Especially now that he has shown super speed on par with the flash. How do the avengers deal with someone who can move so fast that they are like statues? I would love to hear a reasonable argument for that. How will Thor use his lighting if he's hit 100's of times before he realizes Superman even moved? What the f*** could Hulk do besides get ping ponged into oblivion? In Justice League Supes used his superspeed in pretty much every fight he was in. For most of the Avengers all Supes will need is one hit. The only Avenger that has a chance is Vision due to intangibility, and he is only reason that this would actually be a fight. The people claiming Thor and Hulk have a chance, especially those claiming they would win one on one, are delusional.

As was Hulks ko to the Hulkbuster punch but context only matters when discussing DC characters apparently.

Who did Superman punch 100x in 1 second? And then prove those super fast punches would be more powerful than 1 haymaker, when it is actually the opposite of how speed is generally portrayed in the comics.

Superman can ko Scarlet Witch and maybe Tony in one hit but that isn't most of the Avengers. Seeing what kind of damage soak Hulk and Thor are working with it seems as though you are the deluded one if you believe Superman is koing them in one punch - or even quickly.

Originally posted by The Sorrow
As was Hulks ko to the Hulkbuster punch but context only matters when discussing DC characters apparently.

Who did Superman punch 100x in 1 second? And then prove those super fast punches would be more powerful than 1 haymaker, when it is actually the opposite of how speed is generally portrayed in the comics.

Superman can ko Scarlet Witch and maybe Tony in one hit but that isn't most of the Avengers. Seeing what kind of damage soak Hulk and Thor are working with it seems as though you are the deluded one if you believe Superman is koing them in one punch - or even quickly.

Quote where I took the Hulkbuster punch out of context. Also quote where I said he would ko hulk and Thor in one hit. I'll wait. He would Ko hulk and Thor after a series of super speed hits. Also, him hitting Thor 100's of times is reasonable because what is stopping him from doing so while thor is essentially a statue to him? And what are you doing bringing how things work in comics into a movie fight? Things usually work differently in movies than comics.

Originally posted by The Sorrow
Based on what? Faora was ko'd by a missile. Doomsday couldn't even tag Batman and was struggling with Wonder Woman.

She was KO-ed by sensory overload. Same thing that brought Zod down the first time.

Doomsday was struggling with WW? Lmao, are you being serious right now? She couldn't do any permanent damage to him while he was ragdolling her through her shield.

Originally posted by Psychotron
She was KO-ed by sensory overload. Same thing that brought Zod down the first time.

Doomsday was struggling with WW? Lmao, are you being serious right now? She couldn't do any permanent damage to him while he was ragdolling her through her shield.

It doesn't have to be permanent damage she visibly hurt him, Diana laughed off some his hits and dismembered him, completely outclassed him skillwise etc. Doomsday was trying to take her out and was failing badly, couldn't even take out Batman.

Originally posted by The Sorrow
And Hulk was ko'd by a sucker punch while regaining his senses from Scarlet Witchs hex, still didn't stop you ignoring that part though. If that's a legit ko so is Faoras.

It doesn't have to be permanent damage she visibly hurt him, Diana laughed off some his hits and dismembered him, completely outclassed him skillwise etc. Doomsday was trying to take her out and was failing badly, couldn't even take out Batman.

Kinda like how hulk failed to take out Black Widow in Avengers? He even managed to hit her a bit and she was none the worse for wear. Great speed feat for Hulk, having a tough time catching BW. 😱

Get that lowballing crap out of here, as you can see, hulk can be lowballed just as easy.

Originally posted by The Sorrow
And Hulk was ko'd by a sucker punch while regaining his senses from Scarlet Witchs hex, still didn't stop you ignoring that part though. If that's a legit ko so is Faoras.

It doesn't have to be permanent damage she visibly hurt him, Diana laughed off some his hits and dismembered him, completely outclassed him skillwise etc. Doomsday was trying to take her out and was failing badly, couldn't even take out Batman.

Um, both KOs are legit. Faora's mask is a weakness in every fight. You're acting like Iron Man wasn't hurting Hulk before.

She only hurt him with her magic sword. Her other attacks were worthless. If Diana is armed with her sword I'd give her the wins against Thor and Hulk.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Yes, he went there to talk and Batman used cheap shots and dirty tactics. Superman still tried to talk to him because he's not an edgy autist with mommy issues like Bruce.

Context, you mongoloid.

You don't know what context is.

He saw a weird guy with trident, a skinnny woman in armor and wielding a sword, a twitchy guy in red BDSM gear, and a black guy in a trash can. He was scanning them to see what the hell they were.

Superman literally flattened him and tossed him away. Steppenwolf was so out of it he didn't even try to stop Superman from separating the boxes and ruining his plan.

The irony. [/B]

Steppenwolf wasn't hurt nor was he defeated. He got sent back but every other decent hero already rocked him as well.

Steppenwolf is slower and weaker yet Superman with a team didn't put him down. Superman really wet the bed there.

Get the job done, Superman.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Batman is a dirty fighter. Superman isn't. So you're ignoring how these guys approach a fight because it wasn't fair. You're a dope. This isn't a sanctioned fight with rules. Bruce beat the **** out of him and he needed his skank gf to save his life. After she saved his life Bruce went and saved his skank mother.

You don't know what context is.
He was ready to fight. You don't scan someone and alert your defenses if you aren't ready to pounce.

Steppenwolf wasn't hurt nor was he defeated. He got sent back but every other decent hero already rocked him as well.

Steppenwolf is slower and weaker yet Superman with a team didn't put him down. Superman really wet the bed there.

Get the job done, Superman.

I'm ignoring it because Batman isn't in this fight. Stop bringing your man crush into everything.

Ironic coming from you.

He was ready to defend himself.

Really? Explain where he was when his master plan was being ruined by Superman.

Superman barely even fought him and he humiliated him twice.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Yeah, like Superman only did against Flash and not the other JL members.

Like he blitzes Diana and stops her bracers attack?

Like that?

Vision tore apart a few ultronbots with phasing. And considering that that was the only fight Vision was in that he really wanted to kill his opponent, that's a good percentage.

Hahaha, what? Are you trying to equate ultron bots to Superman? And against Ultron he didn't use intangibilty while getting his ass kicked.

Vision doesn't need to turn tangible to attack Superman, at least not how you describe it. He can remain intangible all throught, chase Superman around for a few days till he gets tired, wait for a chance to put his arm inside Superman, then turn tangible again.

At that point all he would do is shatter his arm against Superman's invulnerability.

And when has he done this? Remain intangible for days?

And even if Vision gets punched in the face, so what? Clark doesn't have the punching output to KO Vision with one hit. We don't even know if Vision can get hurt with a physical attack.

Ultron beat the shit out of him by simple physical attacks. He was also incapacitated by Wanda increasing his mass and breaking him through some floors.

Originally posted by The Sorrow
Based on what? Faora was ko'd by a missile. Doomsday couldn't even tag Batman and was struggling with Wonder Woman.

Originally posted by emporerpants
Quote where I took the Hulkbuster punch out of context. Also quote where I said he would ko hulk and Thor in one hit. I'll wait. He would Ko hulk and Thor after a series of super speed hits. Also, him hitting Thor 100's of times is reasonable because what is stopping him from doing so while thor is essentially a statue to him? And what are you doing bringing how things work in comics into a movie fight? Things usually work differently in movies than comics.

Oh so no proof then?

I'm referring to comics because there is no precedence for 100's or 1000's of superspeed attacks in moments in these movies. Your reasoning for Superman winning hinges on something that he was never shown doing on-screen.

I implied nothing. Stop confusing me with other posters and arguing against their points that I never made when talking to me.

We literally saw Superman moving and throwing punches while other characters, some of them with super speed themselves, where statues to him. It's asinine to say he can't do it when we see the proof he can in how he was fighting and using his speed. Again, he was throwing punches at Flash while other people, WW in particular, where like statues to him. Do you really need it spelled out? Going by your logic I can easily ask you to prove that hulk can lift elephant. After all, we never saw him do it, so prove it please. 🙂

Again, you can't use comics for movies. Kindly go to comic forum if you want to argue how things work in comics. It has ZERO bearing for how things work in movies. You just don't like the fact that it so clearly gives Supes an edge. Supes beats Thor or Hulk one on one. Deal with it.

So, just to spell it out, I believe that Hulk obviously CAN lift an elephant because we saw him do things that require more strength than it would take to lift an elephant. In the same way, Superman can OBVIOUSLY hit Thor and Hulk lots of times, yes maybe even hundreds of times, before they can react. This is because we saw him throw multiple punches while someone else with greater super speed than hulk or thor ( WW) was like a statue to him.

Are some people still ignoring that we have an actual screen feat of Superman fighting at super-speeds while others are statue-like by comparison? LoL, retards.

^ In much the same way some people are ignoring that Superman won't be able to lay a hand on Vision if he's intangible.

Originally posted by Psychotron
I'm ignoring it because Batman isn't in this fight. Stop bringing your man crush into everything.

Ironic coming from you.

He was ready to defend himself.

Really? Explain where he was when his master plan was being ruined by Superman.

Superman barely even fought him and he humiliated him twice.

Superman is supposed to save the planet not humiliate the bad guy who was taking damage the entire film. Superman didn't critically injure him by any stretch of the imagination.

Superman uses his speed but in the same scene he used it on WW she head butted him right after she attacked. Retards. Powerset and ignore everything else that occurred. He uses it in bursts like in the film but it isn't enough just as he wasn't man enough to beat an all out Batman who struck him multiple times with human level reaction.

Originally posted by emporerpants
I implied nothing. Stop confusing me with other posters and arguing against their points that I never made when talking to me.

We literally saw Superman moving and throwing punches while other characters, some of them with super speed themselves, where statues to him. It's asinine to say he can't do it when we see the proof he can in how he was fighting and using his speed. Again, he was throwing punches at Flash while other people, WW in particular, where like statues to him. Do you really need it spelled out? Going by your logic I can easily ask you to prove that hulk can lift elephant. After all, we never saw him do it, so prove it please. 🙂

Again, you can't use comics for movies. Kindly go to comic forum if you want to argue how things work in comics. It has ZERO bearing for how things work in movies. You just don't like the fact that it so clearly gives Supes an edge. Supes beats Thor or Hulk one on one. Deal with it.

WW lassoed the guy despite his speed edge. He uses it on her and she still hit him afterwards. He isn't this blur who defeats anyone who comes after him like you fanboys imagine him to be. Try being objective. He gets tagged but has the speed edge. Nothing more, fanboy.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Like he blitzes Diana and stops her bracers attack?

Like that?

Yeah and? I never said Superman doesn't have superspeed, I said he doesn't use it all the time. The fact that you can mention a specific instance of him using superspeed already proves my point: That he does not fight continuously in superspeed.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Hahaha, what? Are you trying to equate ultron bots to Superman? And against Ultron he didn't use intangibilty while getting his ass kicked.

At that point all he would do is shatter his arm against Superman's invulnerability.

Lol what? Ultron didn't do jack to Vision. Vision knocked himself out by burning out Ultron's presence throughout the internet. Stop making stuff up. Vision has never been hurt from physical attacks that we saw, Superman has.

Originally posted by abhilegend

And when has he done this? Remain intangible for days?

When has Superman fought continuously in superspeed for an entire fight? Like I said, you want to exaggerate Superman's abilities then we can exaggerate the Avenger's too. You can't claim that Superman will fight OOC while insisting that the Avengers fight in character. It's called a double standard, look it up.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Ultron beat the shit out of him by simple physical attacks. He was also incapacitated by Wanda increasing his mass and breaking him through some floors.

Like I said, stop making stuff up. Vision knocked himself out by his psychic attack on Ultron. Ultron did nothing to Vision. Wanda utilized a psychic attack on Vision. Is Superman capable of psychic attacks?

Originally posted by FrothByte
^ In much the same way some people are ignoring that Superman won't be able to lay a hand on Vision if he's intangible.

Yup, vision's intangibility is the main reason this would be a fight. Now, if I was going to go SOME poster's logic, I could say that since there isn't much of a precedence for hitting intangible characters in movies, we should go by the comics where Superman has used his heat vision, and freeze breath to hit them, as well as vibrating himself to match their frequency. Of course, I am NOT going to do that, as how things are handled in the comics has ZERO relevance as to how things are handled in the movies. So as it stands Supes can't hurt vision while he is intangible, and Vision can't lay a hand on Supes when he is using super speed.