Superman vs. Avengers

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Do they do it on the reg?

And I have to ask - what does this have to do on a no holding back bloodlusted Supes? I mean I have proven Superman CAN do what LOM suggested. Even if you think Supes wouldn't do it, at least on the onset, the fact that it's possible is the point I originally made. Again, why don't you guys focus on a counter instead of yelling "he won't do it!

They are focusing on "he wont do it!" because they know Supes crushes all the Avengers if he does the Speed Blitz/Heat Vision/Flight combo...

The Avengers have no answer to it...

And fact that the above combo is well within Superman's powerset causes some here to vomit with envy...

lol 18 pages and counting

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
They are focusing on "he wont do it!" because they know Supes crushes all the Avengers if he does the Speed Blitz/Heat Vision/Flight combo...

The Avengers have no answer to it...

And fact that the above combo is well within Superman's powerset causes some here to vomit with envy...

Eh, no remotely non-stomp fight is ever that simple. Both Thor and Vision have magical abilities. Tony has a decent Lex like tech edge as well... While I don't think simply dropping Mjolnir would work on Clark the way Quan suggested it would, thanks to Clark's "pure heartedness", Thor DOES have some power over the Odinforce which is pretty far out there. and Vision's gem is a universal scale artifact.... That shit is not to be underestimated.

There is no debate here. The only one that will last is Vision. Anyone saying Hulk can take Kal one on one has an agenda.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Eh, no remotely non-stomp fight is ever that simple. Both Thor and Vision have magical abilities. Tony has a decent Lex like tech edge as well... While I don't think simply dropping Mjolnir would work on Clark the way Quan suggested it would, thanks to Clark's "pure heartedness", Thor DOES have some power over the Odinforce which is pretty far out there. and Vision's gem is a universal scale artifact.... That shit is not to be underestimated.

When Super Speed is properly written/visualized on screen, none of that stuff the Avengers have going for themselves matters...

All of the Avengers are either statues or are moving in very slow motion compared to the Super Speedster...

Now when you combine those facts with the starting distance in a Forum Fight (and there is no prep for either side here) being 100 yards, then the answer to who wins this fight is a no brainer...

Superman wins...easily.

NONE of the Avengers are Super Speedsters or have shown the reflex's to deal with Flash level speed...none of them.

What can they do before all of them are blitzed into oblivion!?

Not a thing...

Its common sense really...the only people arguing pro Avengers are the ones who are biased and/or just don't want to accept the fact that Superman defeats all of them if he's fighting to the best of his ability.

Originally posted by TheGrat1
There is no debate here. The only one that will last is Vision. Anyone saying Hulk can take Kal one on one has an agenda.

I don't think even Vision can last...

He's not a Super Speedster nor has he shown the reflex's needed to counter a Super Speedster...

Vision gets blitzed into oblivion just like the rest of the Avengers do...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
They are focusing on "he wont do it!" because they know Supes crushes all the Avengers if he does the Speed Blitz/Heat Vision/Flight combo...

The Avengers have no answer to it...

And fact that the above combo is well within Superman's powerset causes some here to vomit with envy...

😂

Superman gets a hammer on his chest. He cries while Thor ****s Lois right in front of him.

Originally posted by TheGrat1
There is no debate here. The only one that will last is Vision. Anyone saying Hulk can take Kal one on one has an agenda.

Doomsday did so and Batman beat him with weakness exploitation. Superman is Batman's *****.

Originally posted by quanchi112

Doomsday did so

Actually he was BFR’ing Doomsday into space before the military intervened firing Nukes at them both.

So Round 1 was a win for Supes. Round 2 was a draw given they both died.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Actually he was BFR’ing Doomsday into space before the military intervened firing Nukes at them both.

So Round 1 was a win for Supes. Round 2 was a draw given they both died.

So round two is a draw when batman and away are helping and he still kills Superman. Wtf.

And WW**.

Until now Superman holds a clear superiority against any of the Avengers. Still i doubt he could defeat the entire team solo with no issue! That is a fanaticism.

Superman could win after getting his ass kicked badly.

However, lets wait for infinity war...More screen feats to support the Avengers.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Do they do it on the reg?

And I have to ask - what does this have to do on a no holding back bloodlusted Supes? I mean I have proven Superman CAN do what LOM suggested. Even if you think Supes wouldn't do it, at least on the onset, the fact that it's possible is the point I originally made. Again, why don't you guys focus on a counter instead of yelling "he won't do it!

To be fair, I am not trying to weigh in on the bloodlusted Supes angle. That's quanchi. I have no issues saying that Superman can kill if necessary.

I was only countering your statement that the Avengers don't kill, or at least not regularly. Because majority of them do kill regularly and without hesitation.

Cap especially. He's killed multiple times in pretty much every movie he's been in other than Civil War. And he has no issues knifing someone in the back or throwing them off a hellicarrier. IM killed terrorists in the first movie. I'll have to double check IM2 to see if he killed again there, but I do believe he killed those extremis soldiers in IM3. Thor even in TDW carelessly snapped the neck of a prisoner simply because the prisoner didn't want to go back to prison. And though it's not specifically shown, we can assume that every single Avenger killed a Hyrda soldier in the opening scene of AOU, at least when we consider the amount of power these guys fling around and the type of weapons they use.

Actually, I am pretty sure they do show every Avenger killing at least one Hydra soldier, in one way or another, during the opening sequence of AoU. Iron Man shot, blew up and repulsored multiple targets. Hawkeye blew up an entire bunker with a heavy gun position. Hulk destroyed another one. Black Widow shot multiple people, and broke a few necks, and beyond the people they were ragdolling all over the place, a combo from Thor and Cap blew up a tank and whoever was inside it.

Originally posted by FrothByte
I was only countering your statement that the Avengers don't kill, or at least not regularly. Because majority of them do kill regularly and without hesitation.

Whatchu mean? This is your first reply to me. I personally don't think the avengers don't kill, but using morality to hamstring a debate kind of doesn't do the debate itself justice.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Whatchu mean? This is your first reply to me. I personally don't think the avengers don't kill, but using morality to hamstring a debate kind of doesn't do the debate itself justice.

My first reply to you was this, which I made in reply to your statement that the only Avengers who openly kill are BW and Thor.

Cap and IM have killed multiple times in their own movies and did it without hesitation.

And my objective was not to hamstring the debate or inject morality into it. Just trying to address the statement that the rest of the Avengers don't kill openly.

NVM

Originally posted by FrothByte
My first reply to you was this, which I made in reply to your statement that the only Avengers who openly kill are BW and Thor.

And my objective was not to hamstring the debate or inject morality into it. Just trying to address the statement that the rest of the Avengers don't kill openly.

But the argument was, in effect, Superman does not kill. My objection was 'but he has, multiple times.'

The argument shifted to wether or not he could use a specific part of his powers in a certain way, wherein he now will never use heat vision while flying or moving fast. I used a clip of him doing so, proving that it is possible within the powerset.

Then of course SM goes on and on about me not using DCMU Superman even though the point was to prove it was possible within the powerset, not that whether or not DCMU Supes would do it.

Then my contention simply is that "instead of discrediting a method of attack in every imaginable or trying to rules lawyer a way out so you would not have to answer it, why not simply counter it with a better defense?" I even dropped two ways in which this could be done... It's not like I have a personal stake as to who wins or loses this, as I don't have a personal preference - I enjoy both.

So basically Avengers win if Superman is nerfed.

Originally posted by WolvesofBabylon
So basically Avengers win if Superman is nerfed.

Yep lol. What a great battle, my favorite part was the time Superman could have won, but didn't. Great heroes allow themselves to be killed in order to maintain the moral high ground.