Superman vs. Avengers

Originally posted by quanchi112
He did match him with his superior strategy. Superman's Boy Scout attitude is a weakness. Even Faora pointed this out in Man of Steel.

It isn't literal but my point is someone using another strategy besides raw strength isn't cheating it's being tactical. Vision alone beats Superman and easily.

Yes, he matched a Superman that didn't want to fight him. If Superman was actually serious the fight would have been over before Batman had a chance to use his secret weapon.

Vision hasn't beaten anyone impressive so good luck proving that.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Yes, he matched a Superman that didn't want to fight him. If Superman was actually serious the fight would have been over before Batman had a chance to use his secret weapon.

Vision hasn't beaten anyone impressive so good luck proving that.

Neither has Superman. You abandon logic at all turns. Batman beat Superman with his mother's fate on the line. Without that motivation he's even worse. Superman didn't even harm Steppenwolf as much as parademons.

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Irony.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Superman never wants to kill. Batman had him brought back to life and didn't want to fight him. Superman did fight Batman for his mother and failed. He had the motivation and still lost despite his whore mother hanging in the balance.

Neither has Superman. You abandon logic at all turns. Batman beat Superman with his mother's fate on the line. Without that motivation he's even worse. Superman didn't even harm Steppenwolf as much as parademons.

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Irony.

If Superman had actually accepted Luthor's offer to kill Bruce in exchange for his mother's life he would have killed him way before Batman had a chance to use Kryptonite, like Superman pointed out. All Superman was doing was defending himself.

Superman has beaten three Kryptonians, the JL, and humiliated Steppenwolf, who was taking the rest of the League to town before Superman showed up. Your arguments are getting more and more desperate.

Originally posted by Psychotron
If Superman had actually accepted Luthor's offer to kill Bruce in exchange for his mother's life he would have killed him way before Batman had a chance to use Kryptonite, like Superman pointed out. All Superman was doing was defending himself.

Superman has beaten three Kryptonians, the JL, and humiliated Steppenwolf, who was taking the rest of the League to town before Superman showed up. Your arguments are getting more and more desperate.

Superman would lose eventually.

Superman, Batman, and WW struggled with Doomsday!

Superman solo would have issues going against Hulk!

Team would eventually win.

Originally posted by Psychotron
If Superman had actually accepted Luthor's offer to kill Bruce in exchange for his mother's life he would have killed him way before Batman had a chance to use Kryptonite, like Superman pointed out. All Superman was doing was defending himself.

Superman has beaten three Kryptonians, the JL, and humiliated Steppenwolf, who was taking the rest of the League to town before Superman showed up. Your arguments are getting more and more desperate.

No, I am citing facts and you are ignoring the facts and pretending Superman is a ruthless killer. Even with dire circumstances Superman doesn't try to kill. We see Zod force him into killing him with innocents lives.

The Justice League weren't trying to bring him down only to reason and defend themselves. Batman beat him when he wanted to and Lois had to save the losers life. Steppenwolf wasn't hurt by Superman and was being attacked throughout the film by the League. Superman didn't defeat Steppenwolf despite this weak villain.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Yes, he matched a Superman that didn't want to fight him. If Superman was actually serious the fight would have been over before Batman had a chance to use his secret weapon.

Vision hasn't beaten anyone impressive so good luck proving that.

That is true.

A serious Superman would just out speed them.

As for Vision he was getting worked by Ultron badly....

If we act like each and everyone in the fight would immediately act to the best of their abilities, then at the start of the bell Superman immediately speed blitzes, Thor immediately puts up a lightning offensive aura/shield, SW puts up a shield, Vision goes intangible. And all of these could be done at the speed of thought.

Superman might be fast enough to attack one of them before they put their defense up but I doubt he's fast enough to blitz all of them. So depending on who Superman attacks first, there's a good chance that one or two heavyweights will be able to put up their defense enough to give Superman a fight.

If Vision is able to turn intangible then it doesn't matter how fast Superman is, he's not going to be able to hit him. If Thor is able to put up his lightning shield which we've seen attack anyone close to him, then it might be hard for Superman to approach him regardless of how fast he is.

And the thing is, most of these guys are tough enough to survive a punch or two from Superman. He isn't knocking them out with one blow, not even IM. SW obviously gets splattered if she doesn't get her shields up. My point is even if Superman blitzes them, they'll still be able to put up defenses after the first hit or so.

Originally posted by Estacado
A serious Superman would just out speed them.

As for Vision he was getting worked by Ultron badly....

Originally posted by FrothByte
If we act like each and everyone in the fight would immediately act to the best of their abilities, then at the start of the bell Superman immediately speed blitzes, Thor immediately puts up a lightning offensive aura/shield, SW puts up a shield, Vision goes intangible. And all of these could be done at the speed of thought.

Superman might be fast enough to attack one of them before they put their defense up but I doubt he's fast enough to blitz all of them. So depending on who Superman attacks first, there's a good chance that one or two heavyweights will be able to put up their defense enough to give Superman a fight.

If Vision is able to turn intangible then it doesn't matter how fast Superman is, he's not going to be able to hit him. If Thor is able to put up his lightning shield which we've seen attack anyone close to him, then it might be hard for Superman to approach him regardless of how fast he is.

And the thing is, most of these guys are tough enough to survive a punch or two from Superman. He isn't knocking them out with one blow, not even IM. SW obviously gets splattered if she doesn't get her shields up. My point is even if Superman blitzes them, they'll still be able to put up defenses after the first hit or so.

They just dont have the speed to do anything before Clark hits them he was just as fast as Flash in the movie.

The league was floating in midair while Clark and Flash were fighting the Avengers will not be able to react.

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Originally posted by Estacado
At best Superman would floor both Vision and Thor before they could turn on lightning or phase.

They just dont have the speed to do anything before Clark hits them he was just as fast as Flash in the movie.

A lightning from thor would be debastating! Hulk is still a threat. Visions laser would finish the Job.

Wanda's TK seals his fate.

Originally posted by Estacado
At best Superman would floor both Vision and Thor before they could turn on lightning or phase.

They just dont have the speed to do anything before Clark hits them he was just as fast as Flash in the movie.

The league was floating in midair while Clark and Flash were fighting the Avengers will not be able to react.

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That's a big assumption to make. Thor and Vision can enact their powers with a thought. Superman can probably hit one of them but there's no proof he can hit both of them before one enacted their powers (with but a thought). Besides, even if Superman hits both of them, so what? It's not going to knock them out. They'll still be able to put up their defense after the first hit. If Superman sticks to one of them long enough to take them out completely then he'll be leaving the others free to do whatever.

But how are they hiting him if time is basically still for Clark?

Originally posted by Estacado
But how are they hiting him if time is basically still for Clark?

If it is Vision, he can basically just stay intangible and wait for an opportunity.
If it is Thor, he can just turn on his lightning and wait till Superman touches him at which point Superman zaps himself.

It's also worth pointing out that Superman doesn't operate in superspeed all the time, otherwise Aquaman and Cyborg wouldn't have been able to put hands on him. He seems to have to almost choose to turn it on or off.

Originally posted by Estacado
But how are they hiting him if time is basically still for Clark?

A lightning or a laser should be able to hit Superman.

Flash dodged all of supermans hits

Originally posted by Estacado
A serious Superman would just out speed them.

As for Vision he was getting worked by Ultron badly....

He showed what he is capable of when he uses the stone. The league were holding back and trying to talk to him. He did no real damage and was being hit left and right. WW is faster than Steppenwolf but he tagged her left and right despite the team ganging up on him. Try to be objective and quit cherry picking while ignoring the rest of the films.

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Originally posted by Estacado
But how are they hiting him if time is basically still for Clark?

😂 @ the "Avengers stomp" people. I know Justice League was meh sauce, but there's no denying Superman's powers/abilities. Fanboys be fanboys.

Originally posted by Robtard
😂 @ the "Avengers stomp" people. I know Justice League was meh sauce, but there's no denying Superman's powers/abilities. Fanboys be fanboys.

Batman when he wanted to prepped and defeated Superman. Superman isn't too fast for people to successfully attack him. Oh the feats only matter posters are silly.