Originally posted by quanchi112
So you admit despite the ultimate motivation he still failed. This furthers my point he doesn't kill even when his skank mother's life hangs in the balance. This is how Superman fights in character he doesn't kill. Bruce all out owned Superman with his mother's fate tied into the outcome.No, I am citing facts and you are ignoring the facts and pretending Superman is a ruthless killer. Even with dire circumstances Superman doesn't try to kill. We see Zod force him into killing him with innocents lives.
The Justice League weren't trying to bring him down only to reason and defend themselves. Batman beat him when he wanted to and Lois had to save the losers life. Steppenwolf wasn't hurt by Superman and was being attacked throughout the film by the League. Superman didn't defeat Steppenwolf despite this weak villain.
Considering he went there with the idea of talking to Bruce and getting his help to save his mother instead of just killing him, then no, he didn't fail.
I don't remember saying Superman is a killer. He doesn't need to kill the Avengers to beat them.
Is that why they attacked first? Superman never attacked them without being attacked first. He was not going all out against them. Steppenwolf wasn't hurt? GTFO, clown.
Originally posted by relentless1
Superman is faster than anyone on the Avengers and arguably stronger
It's not arguable at all at this point. Nobody on the Avengers has strength feats like towing an icebreaker or carrying an entire apartment building on his back. Hulk's Leviathan feat is the only comparable one, but Hulk obviously exerted himself heavily, while Superman did those feats casually without a hint of strain. And that's without factoring his cheese feats like the overpowering the Singularity and World Engine, and shifting tectonic plates.
Superman is just on another level.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Thats stupid considering Doomsday had time to react.Doomsday isnt consider a speedster and yet he beat the crap out of Supes!
Doomsday is a mutated Kryptonian with jacked up stats. He had super strength, flight and heat vision. Why wouldn't he have super speed?
His super speed was mentioned in his very first appearance in the comics.
Originally posted by abhilegend
My question remains the same.
Which is?
Originally posted by Psychotron
Doomsday is a mutated Kryptonian with jacked up stats. He had super strength, flight and heat vision. Why wouldn't he have super speed?His super speed was mentioned in his very first appearance in the comics.
He didnt depict it.
You are assuming Thor, Hulk, IM, Vision dont have superhuman speed?
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
He didnt depict it.You are assuming Thor, Hulk, IM, Vision dont have superhuman speed?
So no one has super speed unless a character gets a special slow-mo scene to tell retards "Hey guys, I totally have super speed!". No wonder Hollywood execs think the the general audience is full of mouth breathers.
Doomsday gets scaling from Wonder Woman and Superman who both have multiple showings of super speed in combat across several movies. Thor, Hulk, IM, and Vision don't.
Originally posted by PsychotronHe didn't go there to get beaten down by Batman. He actively fought back he just lost. Unless his goal was to beg another man to save his mother while his gf had to intervene to spare his life.
Considering he went there with the idea of talking to Bruce and getting his help to save his mother instead of just killing him, then no, he didn't fail.I don't remember saying Superman is a killer. He doesn't need to kill the Avengers to beat them.
Is that why they attacked first? Superman never attacked them without being attacked first. He was not going all out against them. Steppenwolf wasn't hurt? GTFO, clown.
He didn't even ko or beat Batman yet you believe he can do so to the superior team the Avengers. Ridiculous.
He was scanning their defenses and Cyborg has so little control over his own powers he couldn't stop himself. A pitiful team that was learning their powers and couldn't even control themselves.
Steppenwolf was knocked back the entire film. It did nothing significant to stop him or even show him in true pain. Superman did nothing of significance to stop Steppenwolf he just helped beat on him which most of the team had been doing the entire film.
Ps. Learn how to break down quotes you stupid humen being.
Let's be honest here: Superman doesn't fight in superspeed ALL the time. He certainly uses it in combat, but he doesn't fight an entire battle continuously in superspeed. In the same vein, Vision doesn't fight continuously while intangible, Thor doesn't fight continuously coated in his lightning aura, and Scarlet Witch doesn't always have her shields up. They've shown the ability to use it in battle, but they don't fight continuously with these abilities turned on for the entire fight.
So if people here want to argue that Superman is going to fight out of character and move in superspeed the entire duration, then it's only fair to apply the same principle to the Avengers in which case Vision fights the entirety as intangible, Thor has his lightning aura on the entire time, and SW has her shields up constantly.
With this fair stipulation applied to all, the best case scenario that Superman can hope for is that he's able to take out every Avenger except for Vision. Doesn't matter how fast or strong Superman is, he can't harm what he can't touch. Then it becomes a matter of who gets tired first. I do know that Vision is powered by an infinity stone and doesn't need to eat or sleep like Superman does. And I do know that a phased hand through Superman's brain will hurt Clark a lot more than any single attack of his can hurt Vision.
And that's already the best case scenario for Superman. We haven't even taken into consideration what kind of damage Thor and SW can bring on him.