GT vs. DBS

Originally posted by carver9
I've always said in the beginning that Goku was holding back and that Kid Buu was the most powerful Buu. It's just freaking common sense to me. I always found it funny people saying that crack neck Buu (who fought Mystic Gohan) was more powerful than SS3 Goku because of a statement Goku made when he didn't utilize SS3. Funny indeed.

Canonically speaking: Boohan > Bootenks > Mystic Gohan > Super Boo ~ SSJ3 Gotenks >>> SSJ3 Goku ~/> Pure Boo > Fat Boo.

Toriyama had nothing to do with this V-Jump article, and therefore, it cannot retcon his original works(and yes, this would be a HUGE retcon if true.) V-Jump is an official DB source that can introduce new concepts and whatnot into the mythos, but it obviously cannot supersede Toriyama himself.

Originally posted by Galan007
And that's just an anime-only filler scene. Goku never confronted Bootenks in the manga, but he was pissing his pants at the thought of fighting Super Boo:
https://i.imgur.com/psVBvTy.jpg
*And Boohan is around 3x more powerful than Super Boo.

Nothing on Pure Boo, though(other than he absorbed DaiKaoishin, of course.)

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Also, in the anime (probably filler, too), while inside Buu, Goku tried to convince Vegeta to do a fusion dance with him... it would be totally OOC for Goku to share his victory & completely overpower his opponent with Gogeta's might, if he were already a great deal stronger than him in his SSJ3 form.

YouTube video

There was a similar scene in the manga:
https://i.imgur.com/zryQjnC.jpg

And again, that's just when Super Boo existed, yet Goku was STILL looking to fuse by any means possible(and would have if Vegeta hadn't shut him down.)

Thanks for the scan 👆

I like wanking Goku and Vegeta a lot, but this is just crazy. Are we sure that Boohan = SSJ3 Goku bit got properly translated, Galan?

herms and Cipher translated it. So yeah, it's legit.

But again, V-Jump alone is not sufficient to outright retcon Toriyama's original works, so I wouldn't put too much stock in it. /shrug

Yeah, I know. I'm still shocked.

This is f*cking Buuhan we're talking about. Ultimate Buu.

Indeed. It's rare to see them drop the ball like this... But drop the ball they most certainly did.

I mean, Boohan explicitly stated that he was more powerful than EVER before:

...And we already know Goku was intended to be FAR inferior to the likes of even Super Boo back then, so yeah, makes NO sense at all.

Could've swore the Kais said small Buu is the most powerful Buu.

Nope, that was never stated in canon.

The Kaioshin only stated that Pure Boo was the most "evil/difficult" version -- but he was definitely NOT the strongest. Proof of this can be seen when he was fighting Fat/good Boo(who was even weaker than Fat/evil Boo.) Not only did fatty put up a decent fight, but he actually managed to weaken Pure Boo a bit.

And again, Boohan outright stated that he was more powerful than EVER before... And no one knows Boo's power better than Boo himself.

Can someone explain the scaling to me?

Master roshi can destroy the moon, base Frieza can destroy a planet, Cell can destroy solar system, two god powers can destroy a universe.

Doesnt seem like the power increases are that extreme compared to the amount of destruction they can cause. 😕

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
Can someone explain the scaling to me?

Master roshi can destroy the moon, base Frieza can destroy a planet, Cell can destroy solar system, two god powers can destroy a universe.

Doesnt seem like the power increases are that extreme compared to the amount of destruction they can cause. 😕

PL increase effects aren't linear, I could be twice your PL and still have a destructive capacity 100X above yours. A PL difference of 100 can allow someone beat the tar out of another person

👆 You can't think of PLs linearly.

In the world of DB, if character A has a PL of 100, and character B has a PL of 1,000, it doesn't mean character B is 'only' 10x more destructive. The growth between levels is exponential.

*Roshi(PL=180) can destroy a moon with his most powerful attack.
*Saiyan saga Piccolo(PL=3,500) can destroy a moon with a fairly casual blast.
*Saiyan Saga Vegeta(PL=18,000) can destroy a planet with his most powerful attack.
*1st form Freeza(PL=530,000) can effortlessly destroy a planet with a nonchalant energy ball.
*Super-Perfect Cell(PL=SSJ2-tier) can destroy a solar system with his most powerful attack.
*Beerus(PL=God-tier) is stated to be capable of easily destroying stars, and wiping out galactic clusters.
*The 'super-dense energy ball' and 'actuality ripples' generated by Beerus and SSG Goku(who had just barely entered God-tier) could have destroyed U7.
*A brawl between Beerus and Champa(two bonafide GoDs) would have destroyed both U6 AND U7 outright.

etc.

I thought Beerus and Champa fight would've destroy Universe 6 and 7?

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Some Gogeta scaling I came up with...

The strong implication is that BASE Gogeta > SSB Goku/Vegeta and Golden Freeza individually. But lets just assume he was 'only' SSB-level to make things a bit easier.

-BASE Gogeta = SSB Goku.
-SSJ Gogeta: 50x SSB Goku
-SSJ2 Gogeta: 100x SSB Goku
-SSJ3 Gogeta: 400x SSB Goku

-As for SSG: no official sources cite what the SSJ3 to SSG amp is. If we assume it's 'just' 10x(many people here believe it is MUCH greater), then it puts SSG Gogeta at 4,000x SSB Goku.

-As for SSB: in the manga Whis implies that SSB is 10x SSG. So that puts SSB Gogeta at 40,000x SSB Goku.

...And I feel like that is a lowball figure, tbh. Food for thought.

It should be kept in mind that base Goku was also throwing hands with a version of Broly that was smacking around SSG Vegeta, so these multipliers should probably be taken with a grain of salt.

How does that affect anything I said about Gogeta?

Originally posted by Galan007
Some Gogeta scaling I came up with...

The strong implication is that BASE Gogeta > SSB Goku/Vegeta and Golden Freeza individually. But lets just assume he was 'only' SSB-level to make things a bit easier.

-BASE Gogeta = SSB Goku.
-SSJ Gogeta: 50x SSB Goku
-SSJ2 Gogeta: 100x SSB Goku
-SSJ3 Gogeta: 400x SSB Goku

-As for SSG: no official sources cite what the SSJ3 to SSG amp is. If we assume it's 'just' 10x(many people here believe it is MUCH greater), then it puts SSG Gogeta at 4,000x SSB Goku.

-As for SSB: in the manga Whis implies that SSB is 10x SSG. So that puts SSB Gogeta at [b]40,000x SSB Goku.

...And I feel like that is a lowball figure, tbh. Food for thought. [/B]