Originally posted by Firefly218
I didn't say (racial group) deserves to be criticized more.
Originally posted by Firefly218
I argued white people are fairly criticized more
Originally posted by Firefly218
I meant that white individuals being criticized more than black individuals is a fair phenomenon
facepalm
Dude. Stahp.
This has been my original point since I directly replied to SqualX. If you wanna debate me, then debate me on the merits on my point. Not how well I interpreted SqualX, which by all means I admit I don't entirely know his intentions.
Originally posted by Firefly218
Bro that's not cool. You didn't directly respond to anything I said in context and cherry picked a little phrase. That's disingenuous, it's just twisting my words.I think you know what I meant by "white people are fairly criticized more". I meant that white individuals being criticized more than black individuals is a fair phenomenon because the white ones happen to hold positions of wealth and power at much higher rates.
There, I can't get much clearer than that
You... really can’t see anything wrong with this? Just read it, please.
Originally posted by Firefly218
I didn't say (racial group) deserves to be criticized more.
Originally posted by Firefly218
I argued white people are fairly criticized more
Originally posted by Firefly218
I meant that white individuals being criticized more than black individuals is a fair phenomenon
Originally posted by Firefly218
Congress is 80% white and 92% Christian, the entire executive branch is white, 7 of 9 Supreme Court Justices are white, 90 % of American wealth is held by white families. No I won't stop.
Has nothing to do with my point. But if you wanna deflect from your silliness, go on ahead. Might think that’s for the best for everybody’s sanity.
Originally posted by Firefly218
That's not a great apology, considering you accused me of using doctored stats to support a racist white-hating agenda. But it's fine, I accept your apology nonetheless.
That's not a great acceptance of an apology. And I never said you doctored your figures. I even conceded that it is not your idea so you can't be faulted for false information (at the time, what I thought).
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Has nothing to do with my point. But if you wanna deflect from your silliness, go on ahead. Might think that’s for the best for everybody’s sanity.
Originally posted by Firefly218
Congress is 80% white and 92% Christian, the entire executive branch is white, 7 of 9 Supreme Court Justices are white, 90 % of American wealth is held by white families. No I won't stop.
Do you find these stats proportional? If you don't, then why should criticism be proportional?
Originally posted by Nibedicus
You never answered my question. If the script-flip racist or not? It seems racist to me, but if you’re willing to swallow your principles like your buddy here just so you can avoid admitting you are wrong, go ahead.But let’s make things clear:
Saying “But (racial group) deserves to be criticized more because (racial group) does/has/is more of (insert behavior/stats/situation) is not only a deflection, it is racist unto itself. It does not address my argument at all but also stereotypes a race. There is no such thing and no statistic you can throw that would justify any one race being justifiably singled out for anything. As individuals should not be defined by their race, but by their actions.
I am a very strong propponent for personal responsibility. Muslims aren’t terrorists, Black people aren’t criminals. White ppl aren’t greedy corrupt powermad racists.
It is funny how you can contradict yourself within the same argument (see underlined). Seriously, do you READ the things you type before you type it?
This part of your post:
"White ppl aren’t greedy corrupt powermad racists."
Speak for yourself. Other than the racist part, I'm power mad, greedy, and corrupt as hell. estahuh
Originally posted by dadudemon
That's not a great acceptance of an apology. And I never said you doctored your figures. I even conceded that it is not your idea so you can't be faulted for false information (at the time, what I thought).
Originally posted by dadudemonYou insinuated that I knew I was using the incorrect numbers and was doing so purposely and nefariously
But you knew this. This is part of why I think you're racist: I have shown, yet again, that you have a clear anti-white agenda.I mean, you're not even CLOSE to being correct with your numbers.
But we're cool, all is forgiven
Actually nib, it directly has to do with your point which was yet another oversimplification of what Firefly was saying.
The group of people that should receive the most criticism as individuals is the group that will do the most harm. As white people are more instutionally powerful and more populous than black people, they will do more harm when they do bad stuff than when black people do bad stuff.
If you want to know why "white" was brought into this, don't ask Firefly ask the people firefly responded to who tried to equate a larger group of people receving more criticism as a larger group of people being discriminated against.
Simply put:
If I have a society with a hundred christains and 2 hundred muslims, assuming all things are equal, muslims would recieve twice as much criticism.
Not because of discrimination, but because there are more muslims.
Originally posted by Firefly218
You have to admit that many black issues in America today are a product of white policy
Well....hmmm....
I cannot argue that. Because some black issues, today, are definitely related to racist policies (not necessarily white policies).
I'm trying to do my part to give back to the black community with my time, love, and efforts. I really really want to leave a link to one of the programs I participate in but that may be a bit much for a conversation full of obvious trolls.
Originally posted by Firefly218
You insinuated that I knew I was using the incorrect numbers and was doing so purposely and nefariouslyBut we're cool, all is forgiven
I insinuated that you're smarter than to use bad numbers (and you were) because I knew better about you. And I was right. You were using correct numbers. lol
Edit - My point was, you never said you doctored it. 👆
Originally posted by dadudemonSEE we do agree then. We were never in disagreement on this point. I can't believe the last 7 pages back and forths and now you are just spontaneously agreeing with me
Well....hmmm....I cannot argue that. Because some black issues, today, are definitely related to racist policies (not necessarily white policies).
I'm trying to do my part to give back to the black community with my time, love, and efforts. I really really want to leave a link to one of the programs I participate in but that may be a bit much for a conversation full of obvious trolls.
So you’re saying they deserve to be criticized more?
Criticism of a group needs to be proportional to the quantity of acts being commited, otherwise you're not criticing them as induviduals when they deserve it.
There are more powerful white people, hence there will be more powerful white people who do bad sh!t. Hencce their will be more actions by induviduals deserving of criticism. If white people recieved as much criticism as black people, that would mean that each powerful white induvidual doing bad stuff would recieve more criticism than each powerful black person doing bad stuff.
That would be unfair criticsm.