US Supreme Pizza Part II: Bake a Cake

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Genesis 4:11–16 for starters. For someone who attended Catholic school, you are certainly ignorant of the contents of the bible.

Genesis 4:11-16
"11 Now you are under a curse and driven from the ground, which opened its mouth to receive your brother’s blood from your hand. 12 When you work the ground, it will no longer yield its crops for you. You will be a restless wanderer on the earth.”

13 Cain said to the Lord, “My punishment is more than I can bear. 14 Today you are driving me from the land, and I will be hidden from your presence; I will be a restless wanderer on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me.”

15 But the Lord said to him, “Not so; anyone who kills Cain will suffer vengeance seven times over.” Then the Lord put a mark on Cain so that no one who found him would kill him. 16 So Cain went out from the Lord’s presence and lived in the land of Nod, east of Eden."

Not sure what any of this has to do with hating blacks. But okay.

Originally posted by Playmaker
Hilarious considering that the "Whites Only" type of society was enforced by the government. The government required businesses to be "Whites Only."

He didn't refuse to sell the gay couple a cake. He didn't refuse service and he never turned any customer away due to their sexual orientation, faith, or whatever. The couple could have purchased any item they wanted. The cake maker refused to service to a gay wedding.

Splitting hairs again. Are you autistic?

Originally posted by Robtard
Splitting hairs again. Are you autistic?

Yes. I do have autism.

Why is autism an insult? I'm on the spectrum fairly heavily, as are many people. Why is that an accepted insult, and why is it synonymous with not understanding things? Plenty of autistic people get by just alright in many walks of life and fields of profession.

It's not, imo. Not something people can control. Was just curious bout him.

Originally posted by Scribble
Why is autism an insult? I'm on the spectrum fairly heavily, as are many people. Why is that an accepted insult, and why is it synonymous with not understanding things? Plenty of autistic people get by just alright in many walks of life and fields of profession.

I'd say that you're very very low on the spectrum. You're certainly more socially capable and adept than Symmetric Chaos and SC was a high-functioning autist.

Or do your symptoms manifest in other ways that cannot be seen on a message board (such as, lots of people in a group setting may cause you to shut down or certain textures or colors will elicit a strong negative reaction)?

Anyway, this post was not intended as an insult to you, it was intended as a backhanded compliment. I could not tell at all you were on the spectrum and I'm curious about your autism.

Whatever happened to SM? Guy was interesting.

Originally posted by Playmaker
Genesis 4:11-16
"11 Now you are under a curse and driven from the ground, which opened its mouth to receive your brother’s blood from your hand. 12 When you work the ground, it will no longer yield its crops for you. You will be a restless wanderer on the earth.”

13 Cain said to the Lord, “My punishment is more than I can bear. 14 Today you are driving me from the land, and I will be hidden from your presence; I will be a restless wanderer on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me.”

15 But the Lord said to him, “Not so; anyone who kills Cain will suffer vengeance seven times over.” Then the Lord put a mark on Cain so that no one who found him would kill him. 16 So Cain went out from the Lord’s presence and lived in the land of Nod, east of Eden."

Not sure what any of this has to do with hating blacks. But okay.

This is one of those long-held beliefs by many Christians that the Mark of Cain was being black.

Even Mormons informally held this belief until leadership struck it down as just myth.

The justifications for this restriction echoed the widespread ideas about racial inferiority that had been used to argue for the legalization of black “servitude” in the Territory of Utah.10 According to one view, which had been promulgated in the United States from at least the 1730s, blacks descended from the same lineage as the biblical Cain, who slew his brother Abel.11 Those who accepted this view believed that God’s “curse” on Cain was the mark of a dark skin. Black servitude was sometimes viewed as a second curse placed upon Noah’s grandson Canaan as a result of Ham’s indiscretion toward his father.12 Although slavery was not a significant factor in Utah’s economy and was soon abolished, the restriction on priesthood ordinations remained.

https://www.lds.org/topics/race-and-the-priesthood?lang=eng

I served a mission. And I had the privilege to teach a black woman. She was very knowledgeable about this "Mark of Cain" myth and talked at length with me about this.

But, one day, when discussing this topic, I asked her why black people seem to suffer so much, all over the world, and throughout history. She asked me a question and made a statement that has stuck with me since:

Do black people seem more receptive to the influences of the Spirit when you're preaching the good word?

I thought about it..and concluded, yes, yes they do. They seemed to be more easily moved by the Spirit when getting caught up in the moment.

She then told me that this sensitivity also has a dark side: influenced to do wrong, bad, and evils. So she thinks they have more sensitive souls, in general. And I agree. it's a generalization but it seems very correct. Go to church with a black congregation. Feel it. Enjoy it. It's a wonderful experience.

So, to hell with this Mark of Cain bullshit. It's racism. But Black people all over the world DO have struggles and hardships. Whatever the reason the cosmos has for this, it's there. So just make sure you don't look down on black people, don't judge them, and most certainly don't pretend to be better. And I think that will go a long way in righting how things are in the cosmos.

Originally posted by dadudemon
This is one of those long-held beliefs by many Christians that the Mark of Cain was being black.

Even Mormons informally held this belief until leadership struck it down as just myth.

https://www.lds.org/topics/race-and-the-priesthood?lang=eng

I served a mission. And I had the privilege to teach a black woman. She was very knowledgeable about this "Mark of Cain" myth and talked at length with me about this.

But, one day, when discussing this topic, I asked her why black people seem to suffer so much, all over the world, and throughout history. She asked me a question and made a statement that has stuck with me since:

Do black people seem more receptive to the influences of the Spirit when you're preaching the good word?

I thought about it..and concluded, yes, yes they do. They seemed to be more easily moved by the Spirit when getting caught up in the moment.

She then told me that this sensitivity also has a dark side: influenced to do wrong, bad, and evils. So she thinks they have more sensitive souls, in general. And I agree. it's a generalization but it seems very correct. Go to church with a black congregation. Feel it. Enjoy it. It's a wonderful experience.

So, to hell with this Mark of Cain bullshit. It's racism. But Black people all over the world DO have struggles and hardships. Whatever the reason the cosmos has for this, it's there. So just make sure you don't look down on black people, don't judge them, and most certainly don't pretend to be better. And I think that will go a long way in righting how things are in the cosmos.

Indeed instead of it sounding like Christianity hates blacks it sounds like...some Christians were just racist pieces of shit.

Originally posted by Surtur
Indeed instead of it sounding like Christianity hates blacks it sounds like...some Christians were just racist pieces of shit.

Sounds infinitely times more probable considering this portion of the Bible was written by people who just left Egypt and were returning to the Middle East. Not really a bastion of whiteness in those parts.

Originally posted by Surtur
Indeed instead of it sounding like Christianity hates blacks it sounds like...some Christians were just racist pieces of shit.

Originally posted by Playmaker
Sounds infinitely times more probable considering this portion of the Bible was written by people who just left Egypt and were returning to the Middle East. Not really a bastion of whiteness in those parts.

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I like you, guys.

Not to touch on the Bible = Hate Black People, but the bible as we know it now has its origins with the Council of Nicea, which was presided over by cracker-compatible peoples

Originally posted by Robtard
Not to touch on the Bible = Hate Black People, but the bible as we know it now has its origins with the Council of Nicea, which was presided over by cracker-compatible peoples

haermm

Good Lord, man! That's terrible...but true.

But the Torah was definitely a thing. Also, the ancient Hebrew peeps were definitely racist.

But, as one of my Israeli pals explained to me, they were shit on from every direction so they developed a xenophobic set of beliefs that were intended to preserve the Hebrew peoples. I do understand that argument.

So now that we've established the bible isn't against blacks...

I do hope there are no religions out there to which booze is important. Cuz the Christian baker won't make cakes with alcohol in them either. Also hope no religion considers halloween important, he apparently won't do halloween themed cakes.

Originally posted by dadudemon
haermm

Good Lord, man! That's terrible...but true.

But the Torah was definitely a thing. Also, the ancient Hebrew peeps were definitely racist.

But, as one of my Israeli pals explained to me, they were shit on from every direction so they developed a xenophobic set of beliefs that were intended to preserve the Hebrew peoples. I do understand that argument.

Edit: Didn't see you added. The ancient Hebrews were also very warmonger-y

Originally posted by Robtard
The ecumenical councils are what likely lead to the whitening of Jesus (among other things), where he went from having bronze skin and hair like wool to looking Scandinavian.

Edit: Didn't see you added. The ancient Hebrews were also very warmonger-y

Damn good discussion, I feel like this could go somewhere. However, a forum is not the best of ways.

I wish we could participate in a round-table discussion with a Israeli theologian, Sam Harris, a Muslim Theologian, and a Christian Theologian (preferably a Mormon one).

We could moderate the discussion, asking questions, etc. I feel like a good discussion and great knowledge could come from that.

I'll look for a Mormon Theologian and you find the Israeli and Muslim ones.

Deal?

Originally posted by dadudemon
This is one of those long-held beliefs by many Christians that the Mark of Cain was being black.

Even Mormons informally held this belief until leadership struck it down as just myth.

https://www.lds.org/topics/race-and-the-priesthood?lang=eng

I served a mission. And I had the privilege to teach a black woman. She was very knowledgeable about this "Mark of Cain" myth and talked at length with me about this.

But, one day, when discussing this topic, I asked her why black people seem to suffer so much, all over the world, and throughout history. She asked me a question and made a statement that has stuck with me since:

Do black people seem more receptive to the influences of the Spirit when you're preaching the good word?

I thought about it..and concluded, yes, yes they do. They seemed to be more easily moved by the Spirit when getting caught up in the moment.

She then told me that this sensitivity also has a dark side: influenced to do wrong, bad, and evils. So she thinks they have more sensitive souls, in general. And I agree. it's a generalization but it seems very correct. Go to church with a black congregation. Feel it. Enjoy it. It's a wonderful experience.

So, to hell with this Mark of Cain bullshit. It's racism. But Black people all over the world DO have struggles and hardships. Whatever the reason the cosmos has for this, it's there. So just make sure you don't look down on black people, don't judge them, and most certainly don't pretend to be better. And I think that will go a long way in righting how things are in the cosmos.

God hates lots of folk, not just blacks.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Damn good discussion, I feel like this could go somewhere. However, a forum is not the best of ways.

I wish we could participate in a round-table discussion with a Israeli theologian, Sam Harris, a Muslim Theologian, and a Christian Theologian (preferably a Mormon one).

We could moderate the discussion, asking questions, etc. I feel like a good discussion and great knowledge could come from that.

I'll look for a Mormon Theologian and you find the Israeli and Muslim ones.

Deal?

I'm friends with Israelis, does that count.

Originally posted by Robtard
I'm friends with Israelis, does that count.

Any Theologian's among them?