US Supreme Pizza Part II: Bake a Cake

Originally posted by Robtard
Your post is so very odd. Yes and no, cos it's not like David Duke is President or CEO of a fortune 500; where someone like that is beyond open with their beliefs/views.

The thing about food service and minorities. Now sure how that has anything to do with what we're saying?

As far as "true racism", did you not see the Charlottsville rally? We literally had hundreds of Nazis marching like it was 1933 Germany and I assure you that wasn't all the Nazis in America; let alone all the other people and/or groups with similar beliefs. Racism in America is a problem, friend. Are things massively better than say 20, 30, 50+ years ago, absolutely. But there's still a problem in our law enforcement, in our legal system and our penal system when it comes to a person's race.

I honestly think that's whacked. I sincerely hope we never go back to something like "Whites Only Restroom" and I was born after that ended. Just ugliness for a society to accept that as normal. Little acceptance steps like that can also lead to greater ugliness.

Wow. That is ONE BIG PILE OF LIES!!!!!!!!!

Not even the San Fran Poop Patrol could handle a Load This Size!

I’m thinking a three-tiered white cake. Cheesecake frosting. And the topper should be a large figure of Satan, licking a 9″ black Dildo. I would like the dildo to be an actual working model, that can be turned on before we unveil the cake. I can provide it for you if you don’t have the means to procure one yourself.

Christians should have no prob with that cake. Cause everyone knows Satan is Gay.

Originally posted by Robtard
Your post is so very odd. Yes and no, cos it's not like David Duke is President or CEO of a fortune 500; where someone like that is beyond open with their beliefs/views.

The thing about food service and minorities. Now sure how that has anything to do with what we're saying?

As far as "true racism", did you not see the Charlottsville rally? We literally had hundreds of Nazis marching like it was 1933 Germany and I assure you that wasn't all the Nazis in America; let alone all the other people and/or groups with similar beliefs. Racism in America is a problem, friend. Are things massively better than say 20, 30, 50+ years ago, absolutely. But there's still a problem in our law enforcement, in our legal system and our penal system when it comes to a person's race.

I honestly think that's whacked. I sincerely hope we never go back to something like "Whites Only Restroom" and I was born after that ended. Just ugliness for a society to accept that as normal. Little acceptance steps like that can also lead to greater ugliness.

Yeah, hundreds of racist who came from all over the country. But we live in a country of more than 350 MILLION people. There could be 100k white supremacist and it still wouldn't even be close to 1% of the population. When you get right down to it, less than 1% is pretty much statistically insignificant. You can have a whole lot of something and still have it be be relatively little when you're comparing it to a big enough number.

And I would definitely prefer that there were no more "Whites only" restrooms too, but if they reappeared all it would really do is let minorities and people who are against racism know where not to spend their money. Capitalism is one of the great equalizers. If a business alienates non racists then it's not going to thrive the way it otherwise would. Sure there will be a few that do well if they're managed by someone as business savvy as Duke, but if they're that business savvy then they'd be as likely to become successful even as things stand. More so actually because right now they're being forced to cater to minorities and minorities are giving them money as costumers. And if they're avoiding giving them business because they know it supports racists, then nothing really changes by allowing a "whites only" sign.

According to Leftist Dogma ALL WHITE PEOPLE are Racist. SO that is a Lot of Racists around the world.

The Logic of the Left.

Originally posted by darthgoober
He will absolutely be forced to bake the cake under the threat of eventual force. It's like a mob guy "suggesting" that you pay him money for "protection". He's not actually threatening you with directly, but that's still what it amounts to.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
In my experience the law does not suggest indirectly, but states clearly. If he refuses to bake the cake he will face a fine, not forced labour, it's that simple.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
In my experience the law does not suggest indirectly, but states clearly. If he refuses to bake the cake he will face a fine, not forced labour, it's that simple.

This is the case in Colorado correct?

A State that has gone VERY BLUE. SO that is a big explanation to this Leftist Fascism.

Originally posted by darthgoober
A fine he's forced to pay with the threat of an eventual gun... same thing. Just like protection from the Mob.

It's this sort of escalatory silliness that results in the image of a man being forced at gunpoint to produce a baked good, which would also never happen, and it totally divorced from reality.

The baker in question would face consequences for his actions, relative to his actions. The consequence of breaking anti-discrimination laws = a fine. Of refusing to pay a court fine = arrest. Of resisting a legal arrest = use of force etc. etc. You cannot conflate the consequences without conflating the actions involved as well. Or otherwise we may as well claim getting a parking ticket comes with the threat of execution.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
More melodramatic nonsense, at no point would the situation escalate to the point of the state taking this guy's life with a firearm. Unless he were to say refuse a fine, and resist arrest to the point of seriously endangering those trying to arrest him. In which case, he would be shot for that reason, not for failing to bake a cake.

It's this sort of escalatory silliness that results in the image of a man being forced at gunpoint to produce a baked good, which would also never happen, and it totally divorced from reality.

The baker in question would face consequences for his actions, relative to his actions. The consequence of breaking anti-discrimination laws = a fine. Of refusing to pay a court fine = arrest. Of resisting a legal arrest = use of force etc. etc. You cannot conflate the consequences without conflating the actions involved as well. Or otherwise we may as well claim getting a parking ticket comes with the threat of execution.

See what you seem to be refusing to acknowledge is that there's such a thing as an implied threat. Not all threats are direct...

White Racist Cops Shoot Black People for lesser crime every minute of the day. According to Leftist anyway.

Originally posted by darthgoober
So by the same token, the mob guy isn't actually doing anything wrong since he isn't threatening anyone directly?

See what you seem to be refusing to acknowledge is that there's such a thing as an implied threat. Not all threats are direct...

Originally posted by Beniboybling
He is a criminal engaging in extortion, he has clearly done something wrong. 😬

Originally posted by Beniboybling
No, simply acknowledging that your melodrivel has no bearing on this case whatsoever.

Come on, Goober. You're comparing fining someone for breaking a law, as being the same to extortion/organized crime. You're going full blown Trumper; never go full blown Trumper.

Originally posted by Robtard
Come on, Goober. You're comparing fining someone for breaking a law, as being the same to extortion/organized crime. You're going full blown Trumper; never go full blown Trumper.

By the same token, if an Islamic business owner allowed merchants to offer free samples of food people who came into his place and the government said that he could only do that if he allowed people to offer up pork products too it would be f*cked up

Originally posted by darthgoober
He's just offering protection in exchange for money. He's not directly threatening anyone. Just like the government, "If you want to refuse to commit a sin you have to pay us money, otherwise something bad will happen..."

Continue to conflate these actions in an absurd attempt to make out the government as a petty mobster if you like, while making out the bigoted baker as the victim, but it will remain based on disingenuous fantasy.

Fines happen all the time for breaking laws. You can argue that said law needs to be changed so this "Christian" bigot can be a bigot without recourse and that's fine if you want to do that, but your comparison here to actual mob extortion is well, retarded.

Not sure there's a anti discrimination for pork products...

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Wrong again, I've already told you that your attempt to dress up a fine as an implication of violence is facetious crap, the government does not say "pay the fine or something bad will happen" like a nefarious drug lord, but clearly states, on paper, that you will face arrest. That arrest will only be violent if you make it so, which is on you, and entirely separate to the act of refusing a fine, just as refusing a fine is an entirely separate act to discriminating against your customers in the first place.

Continue to conflate these actions in an absurd attempt to make out the government as a petty mobster if you like, while making out the bigoted baker as the victim, but it will remain based on disingenuous fantasy.

I will explain this to you a final time.

Breaking anti-discrimination laws, refusing to pay a fine, and then refusing and resisting arrest comes with the threat of force, yes. Breaking anti-discrimination laws in itself does not, and to suggest otherwise is to conflate it with other offences. It's that simple.

respond with a yes beni I understand or don't bother. 😘

Originally posted by Robtard
Fines happen all the time for breaking laws. You can argue that said law needs to be changed so this "Christian" bigot can be a bigot without recourse and that's fine if you want to do that, but your comparison here to actual mob extortion is well, retarded.

Not sure there's a anti discrimination for pork products...

Suppose someone founds a religion that pushes the consumption of pork products. Should members have the ability to make the demand of our theoretical Islamic businessman? After all, they're both arguing from the position of a protected class, but the Islamic guy is the one who wants to discriminate...