The Strongest Force user!
Based on screen feats that would be Luke Skywalker.
He was able to create a solid manifestation eons of kilometers away!
That is something NO JEDI/NOR SITH has replicated in canon material.
Now, the one CLOSEST to the force would be Yoda.
Yoda's understanding and relationship with the Force is unrivaled in SW canon.
Originally posted by juggernaut74
YodaSpoiler:
blow a f#cking tree up using the force
I agree.
The problem i have is that Yoda focused more on training and being the wisdom of the Jedi order.
He rarely engaged into combat. Reason why he has little feats to back him up.
But we saw Yoda beating Dooku and Sidious which is amazing still.
However Luke creating a manifestation of himself in another planet is some serious FEAT....FEATWISE i put Luke>Yoda
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
I agree.The problem i have is that Yoda focused more on training and being the wisdom of the Jedi order.
He rarely engaged into combat. Reason why he has little feats to back him up.
But we saw Yoda beating Dooku and Sidious which is amazing still.
However Luke creating a manifestation of himself in another planet is some serious FEAT....FEATWISE i put Luke>Yoda
where exactly did you see Yoda beating Sidious?
Originally posted by relentless1
where exactly did you see Yoda beating Sidious?
The moment the fight took place on an unstable terrain (Fighting on pots)
where Sidious had the high terrain advantange.
Yoda didn't lost to Sidious. He felt from the pot as result from the explosion. By that time Troopers were already reaching the place.
Originally posted by Josh_AlexanderFeats don't determine superiority it's how they stack up. Just because Rey lifts a lot of rocks doesn't mean she can do a damn thing to Snoke. Feats are usually exclusive to said character in a certain situation. Snoke was beyond Rey and Ben in direct conflict. Luke wasn't.
Maybe, but not featwise Quanchi.Wait to see Snoke in SW9 for more feats.
Until now Yoda, Luke, and Sidious are top 3.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Feats don't determine superiority it's how they stack up. Just because Rey lifts a lot of rocks doesn't mean she can do a damn thing to Snoke. Feats are usually exclusive to said character in a certain situation. Snoke was beyond Rey and Ben in direct conflict. Luke wasn't.
Again until more feats are obtained it's just expectation. I would expect Snoke to be beyond Sidious but he hasn't shown to be.
Rey and Kylo are still rather new in the force. So that feat isn't that impressive.
Originally posted by Josh_AlexanderFeats don't determine superiority they just encourage speculation. When we see someone lift a huge rock it doesn't matter when that character runs into Snoke. Snoke was beyond Rey or Ben. Kylo was trained by Luke and Snoke so enough of the nonsense. Luke wasn't beyond Kylo as seen in the film.
Again until more feats are obtained it's just expectation. I would expect Snoke to be beyond Sidious but he hasn't shown to be.Rey and Kylo are still rather new in the force. So that feat isn't that impressive.
Rey also put Luke on his ass. In direct conflict they can challenge Luke unlike Snoke. That's the point. Snoke is already confirmed as the most powerful.
Sidious is stronger than Yoda for several reasons.
1. He was able to hide the force that was inside him from Yoda and the entire council (including his intentions).
2. He was able to see the future with more detail than Yoda ever has.
3. He was able to casually move heavy objects that Yoda struggled with.
Originally posted by h1a8
Sidious is stronger than Yoda for several reasons.
1. He was able to hide the force that was inside him from Yoda and the entire council (including his intentions).
2. He was able to see the future with more detail than Yoda ever has.
3. He was able to casually move heavy objects that Yoda struggled with.
1. Granted
2. Not really.
3. Denied.
The Dark Side is known for clouding the Light Side.
It is expected of any Sith Lord to be able to hide himself from the Jedi's
In fact, Sith's were believed to be extinct by the Jedi's for a millenium.
So isn't like Sidious is the only Sith to be able to hide himself.
Yoda is more powerful because:
1. He is faster and better skilled with the Light Saber.
2. His knowledge over the Force surpasses Sidious.
3. He defeated Sidious in the long term (He believed in Luke and trained him to defeat the Empire).
Originally posted by quanchi112
Feats don't determine superiority they just encourage speculation. When we see someone lift a huge rock it doesn't matter when that character runs into Snoke. Snoke was beyond Rey or Ben. Kylo was trained by Luke and Snoke so enough of the nonsense. Luke wasn't beyond Kylo as seen in the film.Rey also put Luke on his ass. In direct conflict they can challenge Luke unlike Snoke. That's the point. Snoke is already confirmed as the most powerful.
Based off what is Kylo and Rey> Luke?
Originally posted by quanchi112
I didn't say they were greater than Luke I did say we see they were both threats in direct conflict to Luke. Rey put him on his old ass. How did Ben fare against him when he woke up with his Lightsaber drawn ?😂
Did you forget that Luke hesitated in killing Kylo?
Did you forget that he took seconds into tought and regret?
If Luke was a bad guy and really wished Kylo dead he would have killed him!
Do you forget how Luke MASSIVELY TROLLED Kylo by creating a manifestation of himself EONS OF KILOMETERS away?
Luke is way beyond Kylo and Rey for now Quanchi.
Originally posted by Josh_AlexanderHe still had his saber and abilities. I guess when Maul is overconfident its unforgivable but when Luke gets beaten it's ok that's just old self doubting Luke.
Did you forget that Luke hesitated in killing Kylo?Did you forget that he took seconds into tought and regret?
If Luke was a bad guy and really wished Kylo dead he would have killed him!
Do you forget how Luke MASSIVELY TROLLED Kylo by creating a manifestation of himself EONS OF KILOMETERS away?
Luke is way beyond Kylo and Rey for now Quanchi.
His own self doubt is his issue. You abandon your logic all the time and this is another example. Your response would be but he lost deal with it. I'm just exposing your own hypocrispy.
Speculation. But to kill a sleeping foe is despicable.
Yes, he did and the effort killed him. He was also on a nexus. Nah, we see him in direct conflict. Snoke is the only one beyond those two. Luke wasn't.
🙂
Originally posted by quanchi112
He still had his saber and abilities. I guess when Maul is overconfident its unforgivable but when Luke gets beaten it's ok that's just old self doubting Luke.His own self doubt is his issue. You abandon your logic all the time and this is another example. Your response would be but he lost deal with it. I'm just exposing your own hypocrispy.
Speculation. But to kill a sleeping foe is despicable.
Yes, he did and the effort killed him. He was also on a nexus. Nah, we see him in direct conflict. Snoke is the only one beyond those two. Luke wasn't.
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Overconfindent and Doubting aren't the same.
Again, sorry but that's not how it works.
Luke's manifestation wasn't even touched by Kylo's saber until he allowed so.
So again, Luke>Kylo.
Whether you like it or not.
Originally posted by Josh_AlexanderI never said they were but they are clear examples Anyine can be caught off guard. Luke's is far worse since Ben wakes up and immediately defends himself in an extremely vulnerable position.
Overconfindent and Doubting aren't the same.Again, sorry but that's not how it works.
Luke's manifestation wasn't even touched by Kylo's saber until he allowed so.
So again, Luke>Kylo.
Whether you like it or not.
You use double standards.
So ? He barely dodged and he was already annihilated by the blasts of the walkers. He was tricked but Luke in direct conflict didn't look superior to Rey or Ben what little we saw.
Iyo not mine. Luke was the one scared and the one who failed Ben per his own words. Listen to Luke. He was a shameful, self doubting, grumpy old man.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I never said they were but they are clear examples Anyine can be caught off guard. Luke's is far worse since Ben wakes up and immediately defends himself in an extremely vulnerable position.You use double standards.
So ? He barely dodged and he was already annihilated by the blasts of the walkers. He was tricked but Luke in direct conflict didn't look superior to Rey or Ben what little we saw.
Iyo not mine. Luke was the one scared and the one who failed Ben per his own words. Listen to Luke. He was a shameful, self doubting, grumpy old man.
Stop it. Even when he manifested himself on the other planet Kylo wasn't even able to touch him with his sword.
In a fight Luke defeats Kylo. Stop trying to fight logic and feats.
Kylo and Ray are force noobs not to be compared with an experienced Luke.
Originally posted by Josh_AlexanderLuke was unable to be harmed physically but as I said Kylo's impulsivity clouds his judgment.
Stop it. Even when he manifested himself on the other planet Kylo wasn't even able to touch him with his sword.In a fight Luke defeats Kylo. Stop trying to fight logic and feats.
Kylo and Ray are force noobs not to be compared with an experienced Luke.
We see them go at it. One guy left the fallen for dead. We already saw their fight. Accept the facts not your own speculation.
Nah, not according to Luke. Luke also already lost to one. Whoops. Snoke is beyond either in direct conflict. Just stop. Rey also put him on his ass.