Originally posted by Josh_AlexanderYou are right Luke lost which is a fact in a fair fight.
Doesnt change the facts.Yeah, Only and Only after Sidious was killing Vader's son. Isnt like Vader could ever or would ever treason Sidious for anything less.
Kylo on the other hand just treasoned Snoke because he got tired of the old fool!
I admit you are trying hard, but you are supporting the wrong character.
Vader plotted his demise for years. He was redeemed in the moment and overpowered and killed Sidious with one arm, no weapon, and no force application. Pathetic.
Kylo did so for selfish reasons at a time with Snoke dropping his guard in a quicker attack with the force and a lightsaber. Sidious was unable to stop a burnt guy in a suit highly suceptible to fl.
Snoke wins. You do not grasp the obvious as per the norm.
If we go by powerscaling / narrative, it's clearly Luke Skywalker given his stated potential and time to realize it. We know that he's already a match for Vader by RotJ and he had been training for like a year or two, mostly on his own. By the time he was in his prime (either by TLJ or before his exile) he'd definitely have surpassed Palpatine.
Going by feats, it's either Darth Sidious or Luke Skywalker depending on how impressive you think Luke's final trick in TLJ was.
Of course, going purely by feats is kind of silly unless if you think Black Widow > Thanos, so holistically it seems pretty clear that Luke Skywalker is the most powerful Force user we've seen in canon.
Nah, it's clearly Snoke since Luke cut himself off the force for years, used s force nexus for his final feat which ultimately killed him. He also looked inferior in comparing both Luke and Snoke against Rey and Ben. Snoke's complete and utter domination of Rey in force power is unlike anything we have ever seen in the Star Wars mythos. Luke confirms how strong she is via her force power in the film.
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Originally posted by The Ellimist
If we go by powerscaling / narrative, it's clearly Luke Skywalker given his stated potential and time to realize it. We know that he's already a match for Vader by RotJ and he had been training for like a year or two, mostly on his own. By the time he was in his prime (either by TLJ or before his exile) he'd definitely have surpassed Palpatine.Going by feats, it's either Darth Sidious or Luke Skywalker depending on how impressive you think Luke's final trick in TLJ was.
Of course, going purely by feats is kind of silly unless if you think Black Widow > Thanos, so holistically it seems pretty clear that Luke Skywalker is the most powerful Force user we've seen in canon.
I agree.
Originally posted by PsychotronFalse, we see a virtual stalemate in force power. Sidious came out on top due to his positioning but force power they are even Steven.
Sidious > Yoda, though Yoda was probably past his prime at that point.Luke isn't a factor, he was a weakling in TLJ.
No, he isn't. You are just butthurt and a fanboy. I hope you cried after watching the film.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Naah Yoda>Sidious.
Sidious won.
Originally posted by quanchi112
False, we see a virtual stalemate in force power. Sidious came out on top due to his positioning but force power they are even Steven.No, he isn't. You are just butthurt and a fanboy. I hope you cried after watching the film.
Look at Yoda's face when Sidious blasts him. He was visibly in pain. He couldn't hold Sidious' lightning for long, so he resorted to a hail mary, which failed.
I'm not you, I don't cry like a little girl. Luke's only feat in the movie was weak af.
Originally posted by Psychotron
Sidious won.Look at Yoda's face when Sidious blasts him. He was visibly in pain. He couldn't hold Sidious' lightning for long, so he resorted to a hail mary, which failed.
I'm not you, I don't cry like a little girl. Luke's only feat in the movie was weak af.
He didnt won. Yoda felt from the pot due to the explosion. I remember Sidious in pain before the explosion occured.
Also, Sidious had the advantage due to the terrain. Yoda's method of combat is weak in close terrains.
With more time and space Yoda would have won.
Originally posted by Psychotron
Sidious > Yoda, though Yoda was probably past his prime at that point.Luke isn't a factor, he was a weakling in TLJ.
Luke had cut himself off from the Force and only really comes back at the end of the movie. That is irrelevant, because the question is who is the strongest with the Force, not who wasn't weak with it for about 5 years at the end of their life. By that criteria it's probably Luke.
Originally posted by PsychotronSo ? Kenobi isn't stronger in the force than Darth Bader but he still defeated him in a duel.
Sidious won.
And so is Sidious at the end when he palms it. You're either stupid or lying. Both flew back as they are force equals but Yoda is smaller and and was in a worse position on the pod.
Look at Yoda's face when Sidious blasts him. He was visibly in pain. He couldn't hold Sidious' lightning for long, so he resorted to a hail mary, which failed.I'm not you, I don't cry like a little girl. Luke's only feat in the movie was weak af. [/B]
Not really but I don't place much stock in non combat feats. You raged over this film. LOVIN' IT.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
He didnt won. Yoda felt from the pot due to the explosion. I remember Sidious in pain before the explosion occured.Also, Sidious had the advantage due to the terrain. Yoda's method of combat is weak in close terrains.
With more time and space Yoda would have won.
I agree. Yoda had a small window of time to work with because Palpatines back up was on the way.