Originally posted by Darth ThorWe see Snoke clearly put him down when he rose to challenge him. Fl. Snoke is beyond reproach.
We've not seen Noob Rey match Kylo in a fair duel or in Force mastery.Only her raw power is comparable. But she lacks skill and mastery.
IOW, just because Snoke can ragdoll Rey, doesn't mean he can also ragdoll Kylo. Though Snoke's TK is no doubt superior, and he obviously was overall superior to Kylo as of TFA and TLJ.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
We've not seen Noob Rey match Kylo in a fair duel or in Force mastery.Only her raw power is comparable. But she lacks skill and mastery.
IOW, just because Snoke can ragdoll Rey, doesn't mean he can also ragdoll Kylo. Though Snoke's TK is no doubt superior, and he obviously was overall superior to Kylo as of TFA and TLJ.
Thanks Darth Thor.
Perhaps Quanchi can hear your words.
Originally posted by quanchi112
We see Snoke clearly put him down when he rose to challenge him. Fl. Snoke is beyond reproach.
He was on his knees and in the time it took him to get up and attack Snoke (all ready) was able to shoot him. Even then he wasn’t KO’d but Snoke’s guards threatened him. You know the same guards it took both Kylo and Rey to defeat after a big intense fight WITHOUT Snoke being involved.
Originally posted by Darth ThorSnoke wasn't ready for battle he just reacted to Kylo. He waved off his guards for Rey. He also didn't need them to put Kylo on his ass. It's clear Kylo had no chance whatsoever since Kylo can't overpower Rey but Snoke can do whatever he wants to her with the force showing force superiority.
He was on his knees and in the time it took him to get up and attack Snoke (all ready) was able to shoot him. Even then he wasn’t KO’d but Snoke’s guards threatened him. You know the same guards it took both Kylo and Rey to defeat after a big intense fight WITHOUT Snoke being involved.
Snoke had better guards than Palpatine (Yoda ko'd two with a mere gesture), more force power, better use of fl, a better ship, and better tech. Snoke's First Order would massacre the Empire.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Kylo's force power was Rey's equal and since he can ragdoll his equal in terms of the force power logic dictates he does the same to Kylo if he wants to. Logic, sport.
No. It means Rey has the same potential as Kylo. Kylo is better trained than Rey in the force, so you cant assume that.
Also, Kylo isnt that strong in the force to put Snoke near Yoda or Sidious.
Originally posted by Josh_AlexanderWe see them stalemate in the force for possession of the lightsaber. Kylo is more skilled with a lightsaber but in terms of the force they are equal. Yin to his yang.
No. It means Rey has the same potential as Kylo. Kylo is better trained than Rey in the force, so you cant assume that.Also, Kylo isnt that strong in the force to put Snoke near Yoda or Sidious.
Kylo is strong enough as is Rey to scare Luke. Luke thinks so I suggest rethinking your stance. The film tells us.
Originally posted by quanchi112
We see them stalemate in the force for possession of the lightsaber. Kylo is more skilled with a lightsaber but in terms of the force they are equal. Yin to his yang.Kylo is strong enough as is Rey to scare Luke. Luke thinks so I suggest rethinking your stance. The film tells us.
Because she has the potential.
Doesnt mean she is trained in the force nor that she can resist a Siths power.
To fear of his actions not his power. To fear that he would turn into the Dadk side not that he would beat him.
Luke is far above Kylo's power level, clearly depicted in the movie.
Originally posted by Josh_AlexanderWe see that's the force power she has in that instance despite her lack of training. Snoke explains she rose in power to balance out the darkness in Kylo.
Because she has the potential.Doesnt mean she is trained in the force nor that she can resist a Siths power.
To fear of his actions not his power. To fear that he would turn into the Dadk side not that he would beat him.
Luke is far above Kylo's power level, clearly depicted in the movie.
His says raw strength which means power. For ****s sake I wish you understand what words meant.
I agree Luke is more powerful than Kylo but Ben has enough power to best him. He already did so. Anakin was more powerful than Kenobi but still lost to him in rots.
Originally posted by quanchi112
We see that's the force power she has in that instance despite her lack of training. Snoke explains she rose in power to balance out the darkness in Kylo.His says raw strength which means power. For ****s sake I wish you understand what words meant.
I agree Luke is more powerful than Kylo but Ben has enough power to best him. He already did so. Anakin was more powerful than Kenobi but still lost to him in rots.
Again, she aint trained which puts her at a disadvantage.
I wish you knew about SW.
Again Quanchi, support your idol, we all know your idols will always be number 1.
Originally posted by Josh_AlexanderAgain Kylo trained yet couldn't beat her in force power. Quit repeating yourself.
Again, she aint trained which puts her at a disadvantage.I wish you knew about SW.
Again Quanchi, support your idol, we all know your idols will always be number 1.
I wish you understood words.
I wish you'd try to grow.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Again Kylo trained yet couldn't beat her in force power. Quit repeating yourself.I wish you understood words.
I wish you'd try to grow.
Because they are equal in power.
Which again doesnt prove anything. Both Kylo and Rey are nothing compared to what Sidious or Yoda have faced.
Originally posted by Josh_AlexanderYour whole point was about her lack of training with regards to force power. Kylo has much more training but can't overpower her with his force power because she's powerful.
Because they are equal in power.Which again doesnt prove anything. Both Kylo and Rey are nothing compared to what Sidious or Yoda have faced.
Speculation.
Sidious was decimated by Windu who is weaker than he is in a duel.
NT>OT.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Your whole point was about her lack of training with regards to force power. Kylo has much more training but can't overpower her with his force power because she's powerful.Speculation.
Sidious was decimated by Windu who is weaker than he is in a duel.
NT>OT.
Yeah. Doesnt mean a Jedi/Sith or a Master Jedi/Sith Lord much less the Best Master Jedi/Sith Lord will be overwhelmed.
What!?
Originally posted by quanchi112
Ben beat Luke with his tk.Luke was a master.
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Windu beat the utter shit out of Palpatine.
A distracted/conflicted/hesitant/clouded Luke. Sorry but not enough.
Windu is regarded as one of the best saber duelists ever! Plus his fighting technique was specifically for defeating Siths.
Windu would one shot Kylo.
Originally posted by Josh_AlexanderYou just said tk can't beat a master. I proved you wrong and you offer more excuses. He woke up and used his powers to defeat Luke.
A distracted/conflicted/hesitant/clouded Luke. Sorry but not enough.Windu is regarded as one of the best saber duelists ever! Plus his fighting technique was specifically for defeating Siths.
Windu would one shot Kylo.
Windu is superior to Palpatine with a saber.
Nah, speculation. Windu did beat Palpatine which is a fact.
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Originally posted by quanchi112
You just said tk can't beat a master. I proved you wrong and you offer more excuses. He woke up and used his powers to defeat Luke.Windu is superior to Palpatine with a saber.
Nah, speculation. Windu did beat Palpatine which is a fact.
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Where did i said that? You only prove ignorance.
Are you obmitting the scene where Luke shouted , "Nooooo Kylo", whilst Kylo used TK bring down the roof?
Luke wadnt fighting Kylo. He was conflicted and trying to avoid the fight.
Your feat is rebuked!!!
Windu would beat Kylo far far far easier.
Originally posted by Josh_AlexanderI am saying Luke put himself in the situation and clearly lost. He has the same powers what's wrong with him ?
Where did i said that? You only prove ignorance.Are you obmitting the scene where Luke shouted , "Nooooo Kylo", whilst Kylo used TK bring down the roof?
Luke wadnt fighting Kylo. He was conflicted and trying to avoid the fight.
[B] Your feat is rebuked!!!
Windu would beat Kylo far far far easier. [/B]
Luke felt shame but clearly lost. Snoke put Kylo down the moment he made his intentions clear.
Iyo but it isn't a fact. Speculation. 🙂
Originally posted by quanchi112
I am saying Luke put himself in the situation and clearly lost. He has the same powers what's wrong with him ?Luke felt shame but clearly lost. Snoke put Kylo down the moment he made his intentions clear.
Iyo but it isn't a fact. Speculation. 🙂
Luke changed his mind in the last minute which caused him to lose.
Not because Kylo is superior to Luke. Kylo is inferior to Luke by far.
Reasonable speculation 😉