Supreme Leader Snoke vs Darth Maul (TPM)

Started by The Merchant7 pages

That's still the case. Killing Palpatine balances the Force.

Yeah but it hasn't been officially established that Sidious and Plagueis shifted the balance of the force.

The Jedi pushed the galaxy too far to the light.

The Emperor pushed the galaxy too far to the dark.

Anakin destroyed both.

Balance.

That's not how Lucas saw it and frankly I prefer Lucas's version, I've never understood the need for the dark side or why we should see it as moral to facilitate suffering just cause of some nebulous balance whose mechanism is never explained.

I suppose you can say that dark side emotions can be necessary at times but the films convey the opposite message of a clear good vs. evil.

What do you mean that's not how Lucas saw it? He's on record stating Anakin brought balance to the Force by destroying the Sith. He's also on record stating you can't have too much light or too much dark, which is further reflected by the Father stating too much of either would **** over the galaxy. Anakin brought balance to the Force by destroying the Jedi (who were too far to the light-side) and the Sith (who were too far to the dark-side). It's simple.

Where does Lucas state Anakin also brought balance by destroying the Jedi? (Which he didn't by the way...)

It's often repeated that you can't have too much "light" (originally it was just called the Force) but never explained *why*.

Also the "dark sider rises to match light sider" nonsense (well, the reverse but this is implied and is worse) makes everything a zero sum game, doesn't it?

Zero sum games kind of sum up my main issues with TLJ (which has some amazing, awe inspiring moments too) - Rebels and Empire again, Force not in balance again, what changed?

Snoke. He holistically outclasses Maul and IIRC(ares should have the quote) post rotj disney canon had him being too powerful for sidious to identify.

For the feat only dudes. Physically bridging people two people from across the galaxy absolutely shits on anything Maul has done.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
The Jedi pushed the galaxy too far to the light.

The Emperor pushed the galaxy too far to the dark.

Anakin destroyed both.

Balance.


Anakin didn't destroy both. The jedi would have been doomed irrelevant of Anakin's intervention. On the other hand, if it wasn't for Anakin's children, Sids would have continued to rule.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He is the better trained warrior but she is clearly his equal in force power. We see her stalemate him to acquire the lightsaber. Snoke would bulldoze through her in force power abilities. Snoke wasn't even trying to use a lightsaber but with force powers alone he was raging her something Kylo is unable to do at this point.

Him being a better trained warrior means he’s more skilled in Saber combat, AND has greater mastery over the Force.

His raw power equals Rey’s hence not being able to overpower her when both are TKing Her/Luke’s Lightsaber. But his Mastery is better, which would help against Snoke TK’ing him.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Snoke. He holistically outclasses Maul and IIRC(ares should have the quote) post rotj disney canon had him being too powerful for sidious to identify.

For the feat only dudes. Physically bridging people two people from across the galaxy absolutely shits on anything Maul has done.

And surviving getting cut in 2 shits over anything Snoke’s ever done.

Not to mention Maul put visions into Ezra’s mind from across the Galaxy.

Snoke’s too reliant on his guards, because physically he’s too weak.

Suddenly we have so many Darth Maul fans on this board. Funny how that works...

Maul one shots.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Him being a better trained warrior means he’s more skilled in Saber combat, AND has greater mastery over the Force.

His raw power equals Rey’s hence not being able to overpower her when both are TKing Her/Luke’s Lightsaber. But his Mastery is better, which would help against Snoke TK’ing him.

But he still can't overpower her with thr force. Ben couldn't overpower her mind when she didn't even know she had the force. Snoke did both after she knew she had the force and after her training with Luke.

False since his force mastery is still a stalemate to Rey's force power. Snoke's power utterly pushes Rey around at will. Snoke dominates Maul any way he wants.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
And surviving getting cut in 2 shits over anything Snoke’s ever done.

Not to mention Maul put visions into Ezra’s mind from across the Galaxy.

Snoke’s too reliant on his guards, because physically he’s too weak.

You are another Star Wars sheep. We see him not need his guards to put Kylo down. We see him not need his guards against Rey. Maul died to less than being cut in half when he was older. It's a retarded comparison and you'll avoid that logic when you compare Maul to Vader who relies on a suit to prolong his life.

😂

#hypocritical logic

]Not to mention Maul put visions into Ezra’s mind from across the Galaxy.

Which isn't remotely comparable to physically bridging two people from across the galaxy.

Snoke’s too reliant on his guards, because physically he’s too weak.

Unsupported assumption is unsupported.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Which isn't remotely comparable to physically bridging two people from across the galaxy.

Says who? What measuring stick you using?

Originally posted by Rockydonovang

Unsupported assumption is unsupported.

Supported by the Visual dictionary. What’s completely unsupported is the idea that Snoke can go up against any formidable Lightsaber combatant on his own.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Says who? What measuring stick you using?

Supported by the Visual dictionary. What’s completely unsupported is the idea that Snoke can go up against any formidable Lightsaber combatant on his own.

We see him do it twice in one film. He waves his guards off. You really don't understand Star Wars. You're a fanboy for the Ot.

Originally posted by quanchi112
We see him do it twice in one film. He waves his guards off. You really don't understand Star Wars. You're a fanboy for the Ot.

Are you not embarrassed how you bandwagoned onto the ST villains before even seeing them in action? Especially given how they are all sub-PT/OT era real Sith Lords.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Where does Lucas state Anakin also brought balance by destroying the Jedi? (Which he didn't by the way...)

It's often repeated that you can't have too much "light" (originally it was just called the Force) but never explained *why*.

Also the "dark sider rises to match light sider" nonsense (well, the reverse but this is implied and is worse) makes everything a zero sum game, doesn't it?

Zero sum games kind of sum up my main issues with TLJ (which has some amazing, awe inspiring moments too) - Rebels and Empire again, Force not in balance again, what changed?


Lucas has stated you can't have too much light-side (or dark side).

And then he put that into writing with the Father stating that again on Mortis:

"Too much light or dark would be the undoing of life as you understand it."

It honestly appears Lucas re-purposed the Force in the mid to late 00s.

@Thor Maul never physically interacted with Ezra, Snoke was able to make Rey and Rey physically interact. Thus, what Snoke did was vastly more impressive.