Originally posted by quanchi112
Based on what ? Vader lost himself quote a few limbs and had his body badly burned at his physical prime losing to a less skilled and less powerful opponent in Kenobi.
Another idiotic response. Losing some limbs doesn't tell us how powerful he is, and you have no way to compare Kenobi with Kylo. You still have, after dozens of attempts to post on your position, failed to give a single meaningful feat or indicator that Kylo is actually as powerful as you think he is. Why don't you stop f*cking around and do so? If you say "Luke feared his raw power" with no attempt to address the numerous holes people have picked in that ridiculous argument one more time I swear I'm putting you on f*cking ignore.
Kylo at this point beats Vader but by the time of the final film he will destroy Vader. Newer trilogy is flat out superior to the Ot power wise. It isn't close. Hell, Dameron Poe would destroy Han Solo based off piloting skills.
😕 WTF does Poe Dameron have to do with this discussion? Are you f*cking high?
She wasn't trying to kill him.
Luke wasn't trying to kill Rey, you f*cking hypocrite. Do you realize how many times I've pointed out this double standard to you? Yet every single time you don't even give a bad reply - you give no reply at all, it's like you are just incapable of even understanding the point I'm trying to make to you.
I am saying both needed to defend themselves whereas area was clearly more hostile towards Snoke than Luke. He disarmed her at will. Luke fell on his ass. It's about a clear comparison with how both were able to react to Rey with a lightsaber. Disarm her Luke. You disarmed her otherwise but failed when she brought out the saber.
Lol no it isn't, because Snoke was obviously more willing to use the Force on Rey than Luke was, and Rey did not start with her lightsaber a foot next to Snoke. Try again.
Now if you want to discuss Snoke and Luke and how they would match up you can't ignore the obvious Luke cut himself off from the force for years. This puts him at a huge disadvantage. It's like a boxer not boxing for years and trying to take on one of the best. It's absurd.
We already addressed this, remember? You should concede the rest of your case before going on this fall-back, and then we can talk.
Rey stopped fighting him before she hurt him. She didn't take a swipe at him with the saber. Superman was headbutting and attacking bitches. It's clearly different as Rey stopped herself from hurting Luke. Superman clearly was in take them out mode before Lois was introduced. For **** sake it isn't exactly the same you twit.
What are you talking about? We're comparing the resolve of Luke to the Justice League, not of Rey to Superman. Please try to keep up.
Not ragdolling Rey itself but force raping her at will is more impressive than matching Yoda. Yoda is clearly more powerful than Dooku but couldn't force stomp him. He needed his saber. Snoke didn't need a saber to dominate Rey or Kylo.
Lol all of this is still circular logic based on your arbitrary placement of Rey and Kylo on no evidence or information whatsoever.
Sidious needing a saber to defeat Maul and Opress isn't more impressive.
He ragdolled them at will and then voluntarily let them down to fight them, lmao.
We know th force balances out the dark to match the light. It did so for Rey and did so for Sidious.
Concession accepted, if Sidious was there to balance out 10,000 Jedi at the height of their powers.
Feats have not and don't supplant the obvious or reality.
The obvious here is that Darth Sidious is meant to be the most powerful sith lord of all time while Snoke is some rando who dies unceremoniously.
You're like someone who watches Psycho and still insists Marion Crane is alive.
Your whole look who has better feats ignores the clear hierarchy of films. It's always been a childish way to debate. Evolve for ****s sake. Based off your logic Spiderman is more powerful than Thanos prior to Infinity War since we haven't seen him do anything. No one would claim that because they know it's a lie. It's the same here.
Uh, do you seriously think Snoke has any advantage in powerscaling or thematic intent over Sidious? On what grounds?
Her rock feat is pretty impressive by the way. Yoda struggled with an x wing.
lmao yeah, clearly we're comparing Rey to ESB Luke here. What an impressively intelligent statement.