Originally posted by Darth ThorKylo was unable to break Rey but Snoke just effortlessly did so. Snoke is immensely powerful as I claimed. I know my Disney Star Wars.
It seems Dark Siders can extract information more easily than Jedi.In Rebels Maul Easily extracts information from Hera, whose definitely not weak minded.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Kylo was unable to break Rey but Snoke just effortlessly did so. Snoke is immensely powerful as I claimed. I know my Disney Star Wars.
Snoke has no clue Kylo was about to kill him despite reading his mind at the time. He also needs his guards to keep Kylo in place. Snoke isn’t much more powerful than Kylo Lol
You better quickly jump ship onto Kylo. Only he may jump into Vader’s top level heavyweight class.
Originally posted by Darth ThorYou repeat yourself in josh Alexander fashion. Kylo didn't keep his true intentions from him. He was about to attack his true enemy but in his arrogance he didn't realize there was a lightsaber to his side. Problem was there was one in front of Kylo as well so the situation was perfect for him to attempt this tactic since two lightsabers were in range of both Snoke and Rey in the room.
Snoke has no clue Kylo was about to kill him despite reading his mind at the time. He also needs his guards to keep Kylo in place. Snoke isn’t much more powerful than Kylo LolYou better quickly jump ship onto Kylo. Only he may jump into Vader’s top level heavyweight class.
No, this is another lie you attempt to perpetuate. Snoke is the one who acted to put Kylo down. He didn't use the guards to repel his aggressive actions. Snoke also walked towards him. He at no point hides behind his guards or tries to back away. Quit with these false representations because you're biased.
Snoke overpowered Rey whereas Kylo is his equal. This isn't some equation you need help to solve. We see it play it on screen. Snoke did what Kylo couldn't.
Kylo is greater than Vader just as Snoke is greater than both Vader and Sidious. I've told you from the beginning. You don't care for the new villains and are an Ot hack to the end.
Originally posted by quanchi112
You repeat yourself in josh Alexander fashion. Kylo didn't keep his true intentions from him. He was about to attack his true enemy but in his arrogance he didn't realize there was a lightsaber to his side.
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The fact that Kylo hid his true intentions and got the sucker punch on him means they're can't be that much difference in power between them.
The Apprentice took out his Master fair and square.
Originally posted by Darth ThorNo, it doesn't. You're comparing apples to oranges. Snoke wasn't trying to overpower him in the force he was overconfident about his intentions and reveling in his glory. The situation was ideal for the betrayal due to the locations of the sabers.
😂The fact that Kylo hid his true intentions and got the sucker punch on him means they're can't be that much difference in power between them.
The Apprentice took out his Master fair and square.
Not in a direct fight. It's about as fair as Sidious attacking Plagueis in his sleep. We see what happens when Kylo makes an aggressive movement towards Snoke when he's focusing on him. It's rather annoying to continue to have to explain the obvious to you.
Originally posted by quanchi112
No, it doesn't. You're comparing apples to oranges. Snoke wasn't trying to overpower him in the force he was overconfident about his intentions and reveling in his glory. The situation was ideal for the betrayal due to the locations of the sabers.Not in a direct fight. It's about as fair as Sidious attacking Plagueis in his sleep. We see what happens when Kylo makes an aggressive movement towards Snoke when he's focusing on him. It's rather annoying to continue to have to explain the obvious to you.
Yeah except Kylo didn't attack Snoke in his sleep. He in fact attacked Snoke when ALL OF Snoke's attention was on Kylo. ACTIVELY reading his mind.
There was no direct conflict because Snoke was too much of a pussy for that keeping his guards around at all times. Guards we know Kylo can't solo.
Kylo beat him as soon as he got a fair shot (i.e. with Rey there as his own back up).
Originally posted by Darth ThorAs I said Snoke wasn't defending himself and the location of the lightsabers made this possible. If Kylo actually had a chance in a straight up battle he wouldn't have been put in his place by Snoke in the first scene.
Yeah except Kylo didn't attack Snoke in his sleep. He in fact attacked Snoke when ALL OF Snoke's attention was on Kylo. ACTIVELY reading his mind.There was no direct conflict because Snoke was too much of a pussy for that keeping his guards around at all times. Guards we know Kylo can't solo.
Kylo beat him as soon as he got a fair shot (i.e. with Rey there as his own back up).
Snoke put Kylo down. He walked close to him after mocking him. When Kylo became aggressive he put him down. The guards didn't do anything. Your argument doesn't hold water since he never let his guards attack Kylo and only after he zapped him did he stop.
He didn't get a fair shot he attacked when Snoke let his guard down. Your double standards are nauseating.
Originally posted by quanchi112
As I said Snoke wasn't defending himself and the location of the lightsabers made this possible.
Of course he was. He defended himself against Rey's attack. He just couldn't see Kylo coming, despite trying his best to see Kylo's thoughts and true intentions.
Snoke and Kylo aren't far apart in power. Deal with it.
Originally posted by Darth ThorHe wasn't against Kylo's because he was busy gloating. Rey was dealt with because her intent was obvious. He believed he knew what he meant by true enemy.
Of course he was. He defended himself against Rey's attack. He just couldn't see Kylo coming, despite trying his best to see Kylo's thoughts and true intentions.Snoke and Kylo aren't far apart in power. Deal with it.
Snoke is far more powerful than Kylo. We see it in direct relation to Rey. Your perceptions are wrong and I've been dealing with your hypocrisies for years. I'm used to it.
Nah he wasn’t floating. He was actively reading Kylo’s mind.
Kylo attacked when he had Rey to help him beat Snoke’s guards.
He won. Deal with it.
On topic Snoke’s not proven himself above Maul and Dooku Level in the Force. And would likely lose due to being a physical weakling with no Saber/Sabers skills that we know of.
Originally posted by Darth ThorHw was gloating while reading his mind. He believed the true enemy was Rey but wasn't focusing on the lightsaber to his side. He was over confident.
Nah he wasn’t floating. He was actively reading Kylo’s mind.Kylo attacked when he had Rey to help him beat Snoke’s guards.
He won. Deal with it.
On topic Snoke’s not proven himself above Maul and Dooku Level in the Force. And would likely lose due to being a physical weakling with no Saber/Sabers skills that we know of.
That's baseless conjecture. Ren needed that situation. Snoke was the badass not the guards.
On topic he has since he steamrolled them. Anakin wasn't even strong enough to beat Kenobi. Sorry but these new guys shit all over the old ones. Yoda couldn't beat Dooku with the force.
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He doesn't need to use a saber to disarm or force rape them.
Originally posted by Darth ThorVader betrayed Sidious and Siduous betrayed Plagueis. That doesn't mean they win a fair duel against them. No, he made his move when his guard was down. Nothing more. Your inability to be objective over this is primarily motivated by your own innate bias.
^ Lame Excuses. Kylo beat Snoke at his own game.He made his move as soon as the odds were even, and he won.
Deal with it and take up Kylo as your new character to bandwagon onto.
Snoke is my favorite character. Kylo is currently third. Look I get you don't like either but just calm down. I am a new trilogy guy you're an Ot guy.
Originally posted by Darth ThorThe difference is because we never see the evidence of Sidious being able to do what Snoke did with relative ease. Evidence is what I base my case from you do it off personal bias. Vader wasn't even able to show superiority to Kenobi despite being clearly more powerful. Snoke is at the top of the mountain. Blame Rian Johnson for directing the scenes of outright domination.
Oh and this is hilarious after years of arguing Vader loses because “he’s a slow robot man”. Or that Palpatine can’t force own Maul or Windu as long as they have their Sabers 😂
Snoke is too powerful for Dooku or even Sidious. Disney went bigger and badder, sport.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Vader betrayed Sidious and Siduous betrayed Plagueis. That doesn't mean they win a fair duel against them. No, he made his move when his guard was down. Nothing more. Your inability to be objective over this is primarily motivated by your own innate bias.Snoke is my favorite character. Kylo is currently third. Look I get you don't like either but just calm down. I am a new trilogy guy you're an Ot guy.
Snoke was too pussy to take him on in a fair duel so Kylo did what he had to. Someone less powerful couldn’t do it (Rey). And Kylo couldn’t have pulled it off on someone substantially more powerful like Vader or Palpatine.
Stop crying about it.
Disney is clearly obsessed with the OT 😂
You’re just bandwagoning on the new films regardless of quality.
Originally posted by Darth ThorSee you're completely biased and being childish here. Snoke put him down in the first scene after he mocked him for his loss to Rey. He made him take his silly mask off. Snoke utterly berated him for the trainwreck he was after Han's death. He wanted him focused and determined.
Snoke was too pussy to take him on in a fair duel so Kylo did what he had to. Someone less powerful couldn’t do it (Rey). And Kylo couldn’t have pulled it off on someone substantially more powerful like Vader or Palpatine.Stop crying about it.
Disney is clearly obsessed with the OT 😂
You’re just bandwagoning on the new films regardless of quality.
Your inserting your opinion as a fact. It isn't but Vader didn't need the force or a saber to defeat Sidious. Sidious had time to defend himself but instead howled like a girl to his bitter end. No, I have always said these newer films gave me great villains. You don't care for them. I've always been honest about the Ot being nothing special to me. You're upset over something. Just be yourself, sport.
Disney is obsessed with making money like any business. There's a lot of nostalgic fans out there so they'll exploit that as they should.
Originally posted by Darth ThorNo, I was correct about everything. Snoke is the most powerful force user. This has been confirmed via the film. You want to reject that because you don't care for Snoke whatsoever. You also have made it clear you believe Kylo is a Vader wannabe also showing you just don't love these guys. You still want more Vader and Sidious. Let the past die, kid.
Oh and here come the excuses 😂You’ve done a complete 180 the second it’s suited you. That’s what happens when you bandwagon before knowing where the story is going.