Originally posted by quanchi112
It isn't as widespread but it's definitely more impressive in an all out war. Their tech is far superior so who cares how many more ships and fleets they have when they are vastly inferior to the First Order. Starkiller base, Death Star tech, light speed tracking, Supremacy, etc.First Order would decimate the empire. They intimidate while Sidious does his feminine duplicitous thing in the shadows like a true shady galactic politician. Snoke would bring his empire to its knees with what we see from the First Order.
What kind of an impact did the atomic bomb have ? Weapons of mass destruction and superior tech matters significantly.
FO tech is definitely superior. But the Visual Dictionary says its fleet is too small to rival the Empire, despite its firepower.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
FO tech is definitely superior. But the Visual Dictionary says its fleet is too small to rival the Empire, despite its firepower.
Given the way they are treating the Canon GE, that's a surprise actually...but then the FO hasn't had much either. It seems that the FO has superior tech in some areas, it doesn't seem to have it in others. Namely their troopers with their helmets unable to filter out toxins and other things of that nature, although these are more minor details really.
Originally posted by The_TempestIn size not in raw power. Starkiller base alone would rip through Sidious' Death Stars in a single barrage.
FO tech is definitely superior. But the Visual Dictionary says its fleet is too small to rival the Empire, despite its firepower.
They have fleet killers at the First Order's disposal. Palpatine ruled through duplicity whereas Snoke ruled through power and brute force. I have always said which kind of character I prefer here. I am consistent.
Originally posted by quanchi112
In size not in raw power. Starkiller base alone would rip through Sidious' Death Stars in a single barrage.They have fleet killers at the First Order's disposal. Palpatine ruled through duplicity whereas Snoke ruled through power and brute force. I have always said which kind of character I prefer here. I am consistent.
Nah, the book says the FO's navy is too small to rival the Empire's despite its firepower. Meaning that while the FO has greater firepower pound for pound, it's just too small to be on par with the Empire.
Originally posted by The_TempestIn size not in terms of power. You don't need invasion squads when you can take out five planets per Starkiller's barrages. Would you be interested in battlezoning the First Order vs. your empire post episode 9's DVD release. I know it's a while away but if you're confident then why not.
Nah, the book says the FO's navy is too small to rival the Empire's despite its firepower. Meaning that while the FO has greater firepower pound for pound, it's just too small to be on par with the Empire.
Force Awakens Visual Dictionary
Though too small to rival the navy of the Galactic Empire at its height, the First Order Fleet is nonetheless a formidable concentration of spaceborne destructive power.
The First Order has greater tech and pound-for-pound greater firepower. But its fleet is too small to rival the Empire's.
It's not just smaller. It's too small to rival the Empire.
Originally posted by The_TempestIn size as I said not in terms of power as I said. I also said with a weapon that can obliterate multiple planets per usage I'll debate for the First Order. If you're so funnily convinced then agree to the challenge. Shouldn't this be a walk in the park, Gideon ? Comprise another Palpatinesque type essay focusing on the strengths of the empire with what we see on screen.
The First Order has greater tech and pound-for-pound greater firepower. But its fleet is too small to rival the Empire's.It's not just smaller. It's too small to rival the Empire.
You'll already have a trilogy, Rogue One, and possibly Han Solo as additional examples of the empire's might. This won't be for years so just say yes and we can work out the specifics when the time comes.
Going back to the thread at hand, the only people I see as being above Snoke definitively (as of right now) are Luke, Sidious, Yoda, and Anakin. Some would say Vader is more powerful than Anakin (though I'd contest the notion,) so maybe you could include peak!Vader as well (though I'm not sure, personally). Windu I'm also not really sure about.
I'm also not really seeing how Snoke's admiration for Vader implies that Snoke is inferior. Hell, Snoke wanted Kylo to become the next Vader, but ultimately still have Kylo under his thumb.
Originally posted by The EllimistIf I am then why won't he accept the challenge since this will be so easy ?
quanchi you're not interpreting the language properly, "too small to rival" with no "in size qualifier implies "size disadvantage not compensated for by later mentioned tech advantage", not "smaller in size".
I say the power of the First Order argued by me defeats the empire argued by Tempest. If it's a walk in the park let's see this out and give kmc a battlezone that will actually be debated.