Got some questions before I vote:
1. KF Vader. Does he have infinite scaling? It appears that when Anakin is in the right mind and context, he somewhat decides he's going to win. For example his duel with Tyrannus, when Palpatine persuades him to stop holding back, Anakin is described as deciding to win, and Tyrannus, an old and expert swordsmen who has apprenticed under Yoda labels Anakin the greatest Djem So user he has ever seen [Anakin is 23]. It appears that in his KF state, he appears to scale in order to match and defeat anything that he decides to kill. This is hinted further when Lucas confirms that KF Vader >= ROTS Sidious, which may suggest that Anakin as the chosen one and in the right mindset, with a potentially infinite potential in the force can meet any challenge.
Can someone please confirm or debunk this please?
2. Has FOTJ Luke actually scaled sufficiently to be able to contend with DE Sidious?
I know these are hotly debated questions, please just give me a couple of sentences response, and whoever convinces me to vote out of these three will get my vote. I'm still unsure tbh.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
So, what's the argument for Anakin beating all these guys, seriously?
Deciding to stomp Dooku in which parrying Anakin took more energy than cheap-shotting Kenobi with TK. Growing stronger every day. Evidently almost doubling in power after turning to the dark side. Two-shotting Cin Drallig. Closing in on Father tier potential.
The arguments make themselves, just like Anakin willing Dooku to death.
Originally posted by samappo
Got some questions before I vote:1. KF Vader. Does he have infinite scaling? It appears that when Anakin is in the right mind and context, he somewhat decides he's going to win. For example his duel with Tyrannus, when Palpatine persuades him to stop holding back, Anakin is described as deciding to win, and Tyrannus, an old and expert swordsmen who has apprenticed under Yoda labels Anakin the greatest Djem So user he has ever seen [Anakin is 23]. It appears that in his KF state, he appears to scale in order to match and defeat anything that he decides to kill. This is hinted further when Lucas confirms that KF Vader >= ROTS Sidious, which may suggest that Anakin as the chosen one and in the right mindset, with a potentially infinite potential in the force can meet any challenge.
Can someone please confirm or debunk this please?
He is described as deciding to win against Dooku but I think it's a stretch to conclude that this is some infinite power to beat anyone by deciding to.
2. Has FOTJ Luke actually scaled sufficiently to be able to contend with DE Sidious?
Yes, IMHO. See my post in the first page and my debate with Azronger on the designated thread.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
So, what's the argument for Anakin beating all these guys, seriously?
He's a borderline tier 10 lightsaber duelist that is "far more dangerous than anyone in the universe" with "boundless power and abilities at his disposal."
He's the Force-made-flesh Christ figure whose will determines reality, regardless if possible or not, before undergoing a major power boost.
He's praised by Obi-Wan to be just as powerful as Yoda with his mental restrictions on - forget about it when he loses them and conquers them.
He's capable of involuntarily causing such a powerful telekinetic attack that Dooku nearly opted to abandon Sidious and rejoin the Jedi right then and there.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
He's a borderline tier 10 lightsaber duelist that is "far more dangerous than anyone in the universe" with "boundless power and abilities at his disposal."He's the Force-made-flesh Christ figure whose will determines reality, regardless if possible or not, before undergoing a major power boost.
He's praised by Obi-Wan to be just as powerful as Yoda with his mental restrictions on - forget about it when he loses them and conquers them.
He's capable of involuntarily causing such a powerful telekinetic attack that Dooku nearly opted to abandon Sidious and rejoin the Jedi right then and there.
Beyond flowery text, and the bordering tier 10, I don't see how this puts Anakin beyond a guy who conjures tens of immortal dark side entities into existence or eats worlds while heavily weakened. Or a guy who can literally consume fleets and rip apart time and space by getting angry. Hell, there's various quotes implying that Yoda and Sidious are stronger than Anakin. Even if you don't buy them, I feel there's too much controversy there to then say Anakin is far beyond Yoda or Sidious as of RotS. The Emperors remain supreme.
I can't speak for Luke, though.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Beyond flowery text, and the bordering tier 10, I don't see how this puts Anakin beyond a guy who conjures tens of immortal dark side entities into existence or eats worlds while heavily weakened. Or a guy who can literally consume fleets and rip apart time and space by getting angry. Hell, there's various quotes implying that Yoda and Sidious are stronger than Anakin. Even if you don't buy them, I feel there's too much controversy there to then say Anakin is far beyond Yoda or Sidious as of RotS. The Emperors remain supreme.I can't speak for Luke, though.
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As for Luke, even if he has less potential than Anakin he's like in his 60s while Anakin's in his early 20's.
To be fair, Anakin is in his early 20's and is one of few who is being voted for as most powerful Star Wars character in the cosmos xD
Ant, can you please confirm these statements?
He's a borderline tier 10 lightsaber duelist that is "far more dangerous than anyone in the universe" with "boundless power and abilities at his disposal."He's the Force-made-flesh Christ figure whose will determines reality, regardless if possible or not, before undergoing a major power boost.
He's praised by Obi-Wan to be just as powerful as Yoda with his mental restrictions on - forget about it when he loses them and conquers them.
He's capable of involuntarily causing such a powerful telekinetic attack that Dooku nearly opted to abandon Sidious and rejoin the Jedi right then and there.