Darth Sidious vs. Valkorion - TP Battle

Originally posted by The Ellimist
There's no reason to think the people on Byss were willing hosts.

Byss is regarded as the Emperor's throneworld in the lore for a reason.

Even were Palpatine's dark side adepts not at his disposal, the planet was populated with an army of the Emperor's most loyal subjects.

Taken from Handbook no. 3 - Dark Empire

On top, this planet was extremely strong in the Dark Side and its environment facilitated Palpatine to such an extent that:

Despite his clone's rapid deterioration, Palpatine seemed invulnerable while on Byss, and his use of Force powers there was more of an afterthought than an exercise. When Leia Organa Solo brandished a lightsaber at him, Palpatine waves his fingers and the ancient weapon shattered. When Leia tried to kill the Emperor by dropping a cooling unit on him, Palpatine shrugged off the crushing impact of a ton of machinery.

Taken from Handbook no. 3 - Dark Empire

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Total conjecture. Plagueis projected his essence across the galaxy in a feat beyond telepathy, the diseases were a result of the Force manifesting to rebuke him.

Naturally, Valk has never achieved anything close.

I must say that Darth Plagueis did not demonstrate anything remotely close to creating manifestations such as Children within thousands of individuals ranging from children to seasoned Jedi Masters [positioned in different worlds across the galaxy to do his bidding] in-conjunction with binding thousands of individuals to himself in the manner that they would not betray him and could draw on his power to counter Jedi in combat situations when near him. And neither Darth Plagueis ever demonstrated the capability to utilize his Telepathic abilities to subjugate the entire population of a planet including hundreds of Jedi and Sith stationed there - all unwilling hosts.

And do I need to mention Valkorion creating monstrosities on Ziost in-conjunction with a number of his other deeds - beings of pure Dark Side energy that were virtually invulnerable?

Conversely, Darth Plagueis's story is told in the manner that mechanics of the Force is a central theme in it. This is not the objective in SWTOR and related projects however. Nonetheless, Revan novel gives the impression that the Force was out of balance in ancient times due to actions of Valkorion and champion[s] of Light were emerging to oppose Valkorion from time-to-time.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
And just so we clear, you're correct, Plagueis stretching his essence across the span of the galaxy to touch it's one hundred quadrillion sentient species + quadrillions upon quadrillions of other organisms, in an act that's essentially a communion with the depth and breadth of the Living Force itself, resulting in the omnipresent energy field that governs the entire universe to physically rebuke him, is not comparable to Valkorion's conventional showings of telepathy at all, because it's in another league and sphere of ability entirely, and makes them look utterly pedestrian by any contrast.

Valkorion is easily GALAXY TIER in his manipulations and the ability to influence his subjects:

Many Jedi speculate that it is only Emperor's iron will that prevents the Sith Order from collapsing into chaos as it has so often done in the past.

Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia

NO SITH HAS generated as much curiosity, frustration, and fear among the Jedi as the Empire's dread ruler.

Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia

Now, an absent Emperor and the uneasy peace following the Great War against the Republic threaten to shatter the backbone of the Empire.

Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia

By drawing on his incredible dark powers, the Emperor imprinted his consciousness onto unwitting pawns who would serve as vessels for carrying out his will. Through the eyes and ears of these "children," he could uncover threats in both the Empire and Republic while they were still nothing but whispers. And should the need arise, the Emperor could seize control of his children and instruct them to crush any plot that dared defy his will.

Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia

Aided by his powerful, secretive, and far-reaching powerbase, the Emperor pulls strings across the galaxy to carry out his master stroke - the details of which only Emperor knows.

Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia

The concealed Emperor manipulates and dominates the galaxy with his far-reaching power base: the Imperial Guard, the Hand, the Voice, the Wrath, and the Children.

Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia

THE EMPEROR fears only death. It was this dread that inspired the Emperor to possess beings to serve as the Voice and the Hand, the former to speak his will and the latter to serve as conduits through which he could control his Empire. To extent his reach and sight, the Emperor created his Children through which he could see and act on whim. For those who displeased him, the Emperor shaped the Wrath - the ultimate executioner, who lived only to strike down enemies of the Emperor and humble the galaxy. Finally, he forged the Imperial Guard as an army of devoted warriors, tasked with overwhelming the Emperor's foes and protecting his domain. With this power base, the Emperor seeks to shield himself from the dangers of mortality and make the galaxy bow before him.

Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia

NOTE: Only the Wrath was an independent actor - by design - the rest were either pawns bind to his will or manifestations of the Emperor himself.

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The aforementioned manipulations do not account for Valkorion's influence extending to the Empire of Zakuul.

I like how there's massive holes in this supposed TP feat but the PT brigade is pretending they don't exist.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Really?

Byss is regarded as the Emperor's throneworld in the lore for a reason.

Even were Palpatine's dark side adepts not at his disposal, the planet was populated with an army of the Emperor's most loyal subjects.

Taken from [B]Handbook no. 3 - Dark Empire

On top, this planet was extremely strong in the Dark Side and its environment facilitated Palpatine to such an extent that:

Despite his clone's rapid deterioration, Palpatine seemed invulnerable while on Byss, and his use of Force powers there was more of an afterthought than an exercise. When Leia Organa Solo brandished a lightsaber at him, Palpatine waves his fingers and the ancient weapon shattered. When Leia tried to kill the Emperor by dropping a cooling unit on him, Palpatine shrugged off the crushing impact of a ton of machinery.

Taken from Handbook no. 3 - Dark Empire [/B]

The first quote doesn't contradict the notion that Palpatine made them into loyal subjects, and the latter is largely the work of Palpatine too, soooo

Originally posted by AncientPower
I like how there's massive holes in this supposed TP feat but the PT brigade is pretending they don't exist.

Go ahead and list them?

Originally posted by The Ellimist
The first quote doesn't contradict the notion that Palpatine made them into loyal subjects, and the latter is largely the work of Palpatine too, soooo

Byss was an Imperial stronghold. Palpatine's most loyal subjects inhabited it. Very simple.

It is literally stated the people of Byss live in a nigh-catatonic, dream like state induced by Sidious himself. That sure sounds like he's TPing them.