Originally posted by Nephthys
I believe your implication is that Anakin's potential would be reflective of Plagueis' abilities if this theory were true. I was pointing that that it wouldn't be.
But your response doesn't point that out at all...
Even if all beings created like Anakin would have his potential, no others have ever existed so it doesn't refute the idea that your theory would put Plagueis's abilities at ridiculous levels.
Originally posted by Nephthys
😕So Plagueis must have ridiculous abilities because no-one else ever mastered midicholorian manipulation, an ability which he invented?
Ok.....
Yes. Plagueis's implied / stated difficulty tier for MM is creating life >>>> regenerating life >> killing. We already know that while drunk he can regenerate from the point blank lightning of the most powerful sith of all time, and myself and others have pointed out that he can logically sever almost any combatant in the mythos pretty easily. Now you think he can create the most powerful being in Star Wars
Spoiler:, leading us to another case for why he oneshots Valkorion. 👆
while Vitiate has tried to create minions with only a tiny fraction of that power
Originally posted by The Ellimist
Valkorion supporters, please answer for me:
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[*]Why did the Force need the Chosen One to defeat Plagueis and Sidious, but not Vitiate and his empire?
[*]Why are the light and dark sides described as fluctuating in balance during TOR, while Sidious and Plagueis tip it to the dark even *with* the Jedi Order still there?
[*]When has Valkorion tanked the full-powered lightning of a TPM Sidious level opponent for a sustained monologue without any physical injury?
[*]When has any other sith been able to replicate sorcery and rituals *through sheer willpower* without having any affinity for sorcery or even knowing how to f*cking do it?
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I am not a Valkorion fan, but I give you the answers as best as I can, of course.
1. Anakin Skywalker is the main and most important plot device in Lucas' canon, and it happened(that him and Lucas' main characters) to be 'expanded'(in a weird way) in the Expanded Universe too(while Lucas' d**k is also sucked by those writers who write for his era in the Expanded Universe). Basically, Anakin appeared because the dark side was overcoming the light side. You could argue that Revan is also a Chosen One(but it has not been established; though, I think that's why he was called Champion of the Force or Heart of the Force in TOR sources)
Honestly, Luceno likes to s**k Lucas' dickanon a lot. But, IIRC, and I do, Plagueis wondered if he really did manage to do that; it happens after the ritual is over. Maybe it was still according to the Force. Kreia did say the Force had a will on its own(like God); and that's why she sought to destroy it.
I, basically, and honestly, can't understand how they managed to make the Force fear them when both of these Sith Lords draw their strength from the very source they have tried to imbalance.
It's more a boastful attitude of these two characters rather than a factual truth. It isn't the first time and the last when Sith believe they are on the top of the world.
2. Depends how you see TMP Sidious' level of power. But Ancient Power mentioned that Valkorion could contend with someone who could warp reality or something like that. I forgot the character's name.
3. Doesn't the Ritual of Nathema count? I mean he did that with sheer will power while keeping under his control those 8000 Sith Lords. Well, the drain part might have not been from him alone, but still he was strong enough to mentally Force-dominate 8000 Sith Lords. And you can't say they were weaklings; otherwise Vitiate wouldn't have chosen them to harness their Force strength to drain Medriaas. I am not saying they were on his level of power, but they are pretty powerful if Vitiate chose them.
I mean, think about it, just, keeping under your mental control, 8000 Sith Lords is really a huge feat( I doubt that those Sith Lords didn't try to struggle against Vitiate's influence). And it's not like it was one day; Vitiate kept holding them under his mental control for weeks. He did two things at once while he performed the ritual:
-he mentally Force-dominated them
-he poured a 'fragment' of his own power in the ritual(that wave of dark side energy) with each day that passed
-he commanded them to channel their collective Force-strength into creating and unleashing that wave of dark side energy
Note: I might be wrong about the last two, and you could argue that he actually drained those Sith Lords' Force energies while he was going on with the ritual. But it was established that the wave of dark side energy did that, not Vitiate.
If we are of the belief that midi-chlorians=proof of Force-strength; let's do some math.
Let's give them only a decent and low midi-chlorian count: 5000
Now let's calculate:
5000x8000=40000000
This means that the collective Force strength of those Sith Lords exceeded even Anakin's own midi-chloriant count.
With a count like that, I am not even wondering how Vitiate managed to drain Medriass of its Force energies.
I repeat; that's only if we follow the midi-chlorian count belief.