The Ultimate Darth Plagueis Essay

Started by Haschwalth14 pages

Luke, only fought defensively, it states he stood no chance.

With a snarl, Brakiss pulled his lightsaber from his waist. A bright red flame soared from it. Brakiss ran toward Luke and slashed as he moved.

Luke's lightsaber was in his hand instantly. He parried Brakiss's thrust, smashing Brakiss's lightblade against a nearby conveyor belt. Sparks flew. Brakiss recovered, slashed again, and Luke blocked the hit.

The lightsabers hummed, and clanged as they clashed. Thrust, parry, thrust, parry. Luke matched Brakiss movement for movement. Somewhere in the last few years, Brakiss had gained strength.

Brakiss tried a series of small thrusts, little movements designed to be parried, and then he arched the lightsaber in one great circular movement. Luke didn't move quickly enough. Brakiss's light-saber seared Luke's shirt, narrowly missing his skin. Luke then matched each movement of Brakiss's.

The assembly room was hot with the sparks from the light-saber blades. The edges of the conveyor belts glowed with the heat. Luke concentrated on each of Brakiss's movements, deciding to defend, never to attack.

Brakiss swung his lightsaber from left to right, going for Luke's unprotected sides. Luke blocked each attack. The swings got fiercer, the movements sloppier. Brakiss was no match for Luke, but he was a good, strong fighter, and they would both be exhausted before this match ended.

- Taken from The New Rebellion

So he could exhaust a non attacking Luke, it's not much of a feat at all.

Originally posted by Haschwalth

Back on-topic.

It's referenced by the new Sith companion Hexid too.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Back on-topic.

It's referenced by the new Sith companion Hexid too.


Can you find the quote for me?

She only says something like "Everyone on Dromund Kaas knew of your victory." It could indicate mere news but it's possible she means his death. Especially given the wording of Shan's mail too.

Ffs my thread is filled with literal cancerbrains

cancer attracts cancer lol

Yes, there's an abundance of it on the first page.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Dorsk 81 confirms they each felt more powerful than they could even comprehend, in Darksaber. All of them combined, amping each other in unison too. Brakiss states he had grown much more powerful, but enough to bridge the gap from an amp that massive? I'm not convinced.

Less than a year later they're already flattening AT-STs, throwing boulders at TIE Bombers and a whole ton of other stuff in Darksaber.

It took a fraction of the power they used to launch a fleet of Star Destroyers clear out of the Yavin system; like 'twigs in a storm' which caused massive internal damage and broke hyperdrives, to defeat Kun in the first place. Even a fraction of that power is insane.

Also, the meld is already there. What they do upon closing the circle is seal him inside a WoL. It still takes a perfectly attuned lightsaber that Kun built through Gantoris to actually destroy his spirit however. Prior to this encirclement he still nearly chokes them all out, but Streen uses Alter Environment to cheat their way out of the hold. They all struggle against his hold and fail just prior to that, kek.

But here's the truly hilarious part, this was a starved and weakened shade of Kun without Kyp, Gantoris' reserves or Streen to aid him. He's probably less than a small fraction of the power he held in life.

Yeah, I'll make the comparison again. From a different perspective. The first guy is a 12 year old scrawny git of a boy, who has just started to go to the gym.

The second guy, is the same guy, but as a 24 year old, extremely muscled, and has been going to the gym for hours on end, every single day for the last 12 years. What's more, halfway through, he has taken steroids, and continues to take them till he is 24, utterly rippling in his physique and increasing his strength to much more than it would have done normally. In addition, he has one of the best coaches in the world. Lastly, he has just broken all the records in his state history for weightlifting.

I know, we'll duplicate the first guy 7 or so times, and add two toddlers to the mix. Now, we'll pit them against each other. Seems fair?

I'll tell you what would happen. The big guy pimp slaps 7 or 8 of them with one swipe of his hand, knocking them out. He then pimp slaps the others with his other hand.

Multiply the disparity factor exponentially in SW compared to the above scenario, and you have just how powerful Brakiss would have become. You essentially don't understand that even together, the trainees are nothing. They have negligible power, because they haven't trained for any meaningful amount of time. Yeah, yeah, a whole "year" later, they do some impressive crap, but a "whole" year of training and growing more powerful compared to a scant few weeks? I can only laugh.

Of a fraction of power, they are more powerful than Kun as it is, so that stance is irrelevant.

Also, DE pretty clearly notes that you need an extensive "mastery" or knowledge of how to counter choke. I expect you wouldn't expect people beginning to learn the alphabet J to start correcting spelling mistakes.

Together in the meld, obviously they are more powerful than Kun, and it is made blatantly obvious. Kun doesn't have any kind of scaling over them as it is.

No, you liar, no. That is just the meld, not any kind of WoL.

As his eyes adjusted, Streen saw that all twelve of the Jedi candidates were limned with the faintest sheen of an iridescent blue glow that grew brighter as the new Jedi converged around Exar Kun.

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The nebulous glow around the new Jedi Knights grew brighter, a luminous fog that joined them in an unbroken ring, a solid band of light forged by the power of the Force within them.

Credit: Champions of the Force

The "light" lining them together, is clearly stated in the first part, and it is just that same light "connecting" all the Jedi that grows stronger. It is literally "the" exact same thing in the second part, only stronger. There is no WoL, lol. That is also not even the function of WoL( which is an offensive and destructive light side power), nor how WoL actually is.

That aside, that is the only indication at all that the Jedi were joined together in any sort of way. In th novel. By elimination, it has to be th meld.

Even humoring you, any way you look at it, the Jedi are more powerful than Kun. End of story.

Lastly, Dorsk 81 also says that he was amped beyond anything he had even imagined, so, no, the amp in JA is pretty tremendously inferior to the amp in Darksaber. "A fraction" doesn't cut it, because 0.000000000000000001 is also a fraction.

You essentially have nothing tying Kun to Brakiss in any way. Also, I'd easily argue that manipulating solar flares which are generally the size of moons or planets( this one obviously was, since they were actually able to observe it pretty clearly in comparison to the star) is much more impressive than pushing those Star Destroyers.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Ok, then its definitely legit. I expect an extensive grovelling apology from Tempest to AP and myself.

This is what I asked for:

Originally posted by The_Tempest
By all means, please post what you've found that proves all Satele tier Force users and below were rendered unconscious by Valk'a death.

All you've proven is that Satele nearly blacked out. That's impressive, but I never questioned it.

Temp, thoughts on the Brakiss feat?

Originally posted by Ursumeles
Temp, thoughts on the Brakiss feat?

I always thought it was one of those underrated, obscure EU feats.

And AP, this is probably the decider:

The glow continued to brighten as the synergy between the trainees grew more powerful, weaving threads to reinforce their weak spots, to emphasize their strengths.

Credit: Champions of the Force

This happened, after the above quote I posted. So essentially,

1. Countering choke requires extensive mastery and knowledge of the force. Which plays a massive role in the defense against choke. Knowledge and mastery which trainees of weeks can't have. By any shred of logic. Not when most are struggling to lift rocks.

2. Kun choked them when the meld was at its weakest.

3. The "glowing light connecting the trainees" pretty obviously symbolizes their meld, which grows progressively stronger and the Jedi in turn, become more powerful than Kun. They may be using a light side power to keep Kun caged, but it is most likely not WoL.

Essentially it goes like this:

Brakiss's solar flare( which are larger than planets or at least comparably sized) feat accomplished casually>>>>Darksaber's ISD feat in Jedi meld( which immensely strained the force users)>>>>>>>>Jedi meld in JA>>Kun.

And Az, I am sorry for derailing your thread.

Originally posted by Haschwalth
He is inferior to Kueller, kyp when they were Jedi apprentices to Luke at the Praxeum. And Exar Kun shat on them.

Yeah, I most definitely can't take you seriously after this comment.

As for your previous "barb", is it not idiotic to scoff at the notion of a person who has barely been trained for a few weeks and is just on the stage of lifting rocks, pebbles and leaves, will be less powerful than a person who manipulates starfire on the scale of an effing star system, by many, many orders of magnitude?

You people keep throwing around that "this guy is more powerful than that by many orders of magnitude". Yet when something like this comes around, which has legitimate reason to be so, both by virtue of feats and common sense, then you scoff at it?

Conceded.

Originally posted by LordOfTheLight
And Az, I am sorry for derailing your thread.

Put AP on ignore and never talk to it again. Do this, and you'll find your quality of life has improved tenfold.

I'd suggest everyone on KMC to do the same.

Nah, their salt is pretty funny.

Originally posted by Azronger
Put AP on ignore and never talk to it again. Do this, and you'll find your quality of life has improved tenfold.

I'd suggest everyone on KMC to do the same.

Yeah, that's probably for the best. I am tired of droning stuff again and again, in different ways.

He/she did concede here, though.

Originally posted by ILS
How is someone much slower than Plagueis being able to teleport useful? Plagueis himself likely knows how to teleport and isn't impressed by it. All Force users have precognition, which teleportation doesn't circumvent.

This teleportation = irrelevant stance is nonsense.

This would be extremely useful in combat.

And so he had stretched out—indeed, as if invisible, transubstantiated—to inform every being of his existence, and impact all of them: Muunoid or insectoid, secure or dispossessed, free or enslaved. A warrior waving a banner in triumph on a battlefield. A ghost infiltrating a dream.

But ultimately to no end. The Force grew silent, as if in flight from him, and many of the animals in his laboratory succumbed to horrifying diseases.

Darth Plagueis

This is no less applicable than any of Valk's rituals. Take away that, and Valk really doesn't have anything more impressive than putting up a telekentic barrier around a fortress(Plagueis's inferiors have done that) or Plagueis's boulder showing.