1/8/2018 - #4A (Ranking FOUR, Round ONE) - Most Powerful Tournament - VOTE!

Originally posted by SunRazer
Every Force user already sees things in slow motion relative to their own combat speed, lol. There's no external difference when Valkorion uses his power. Hence I'm of the belief that he won't even attempt to use it in combat, as he knows it's useless here.

Based on precedent, Valkorion's ability to affect perceptions is purely for exchanging thoughts with his host, not external attacks. There's no difference.

That's not accurate to all descriptions of Force users in combat. Sometimes its the exact opposite in fact. Not all of them can casually grind time down to a halt , move around and attack while their opponent is frozen. Unless you're going to fanatically claim that Yoda is so super sonic he can beat time stop with goes fast its usefulness is apparent to anyone with a working brain.

I just proved that untrue. In fact I just went and checked the Heskal video and you can see Heskal still frozen in time right before the Outlanders attack hits him.

Plus theres this:

PTNYICZ8twg&t

At 12.13 Valkorion uses the Force to lift the Outlander in time stop. Then at 12.39 he further uses it to force him on his knees and continues manipulating him. He even uses telepathy.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Not really. You accept Valkorion's power without time changing. By the time there's an actual attack, time has gone back to normal.

Which is natural for something that doesn't actually affect time. 👆

Even if that were true, which I've proven it isn't, being able to freeze time and then instantly launch an attack at an opponent when time resumes is insanely useful in combat.

Yoda has even less of a chance that when we started his discussion now that we've started really examining this ability. I thank you.

YODA (14):
Ursumeles
cs_zoltan
JKBart
SunRazer
The_Tempest
Selenial
Geistalt
i_like_swords
Lord Stark
Greysentinel365
Beniboybling
Azronger
Sasukedc
Rockydonovang

VALKORION (8):
DarthAnt66
Rebel95
Ancient Power
Dark-Kenshin
XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Haschwalth
Nephthys
Total Warrior

UNUTHUL (1):
The Ellimist

The poll will remain open for another day.

AP, I'll respond to your PMs soon - am at school.

Originally posted by Nephthys
That's not accurate to all descriptions of Force users in combat. Sometimes its the exact opposite in fact. Not all of them can casually grind time down to a halt , move around and attack while their opponent is frozen. Unless you're going to fanatically claim that Yoda is so super sonic he can beat time stop with goes fast its usefulness is apparent to anyone with a working brain.

I just proved that untrue. In fact I just went and checked the Heskal video and you can see Heskal still frozen in time right before the Outlanders attack hits him.

Plus theres this:

PTNYICZ8twg&t

At 12.13 Valkorion uses the Force to lift the Outlander in time stop. Then at 12.39 he further uses it to force him on his knees and continues manipulating him.

Even if that were true, which I've proven it isn't, being able to freeze time and then instantly launch an attack at an opponent when time resumes is insanely useful in combat.

Yoda has even less of a chance that when we started his discussion now that we've started really examining this ability. I thank you.

Mostly PT bias, I think.

RIP SunRazer.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Charles Boyd states he manufactured his death in KOTFE.

Quote? It doesn't make any sense story-wise, even by swtor standards.

Originally posted by Dark-Kenshin
Holy sh-t, Valkorion can stop f-cking time? How is this even a matchup? 😂

Fair question, Yoda is more powerful than a guy who can create life without semen and can bring back people from the dead. I don't see how Valkorion can compete, especially since he can't even tell one end of the lightsaber from the other.

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Quote? It doesn't make any sense story-wise, even by swtor standards.

Originally posted by Nephthys
That's not accurate to all descriptions of Force users in combat. Sometimes its the exact opposite in fact. Not all of them can casually grind time down to a halt , move around and attack while their opponent is frozen. Unless you're going to fanatically claim that Yoda is so super sonic he can beat time stop with goes fast its usefulness is apparent to anyone with a working brain.

I just proved that untrue. In fact I just went and checked the Heskal video and you can see Heskal still frozen in time right before the Outlanders attack hits him.

Plus theres this:

PTNYICZ8twg&t

At 12.13 Valkorion uses the Force to lift the Outlander in time stop. Then at 12.39 he further uses it to force him on his knees and continues manipulating him. He even uses telepathy.

Even if that were true, which I've proven it isn't, being able to freeze time and then instantly launch an attack at an opponent when time resumes is insanely useful in combat.

Yoda has even less of a chance that when we started his discussion now that we've started really examining this ability. I thank you.

That's not him stopping time. That's him manipulating the Outlander's perspective. We even ****ing see it from Arcann's perspective and time isn't stopped.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
He arranges his own "death", whether by the player's hand or Arcann's, and invades the player's mind. Arcann and Vaylin do exactly what he expects, which is to generally muck up the galaxy and establish themselves as tyrants in need of overthrowing. And then he arranges and guides the player in doing just that, all the while laying the groundwork for dominating their mind at the moment of their victory and commanding a newly-reshaped galaxy as a heroic liberator - an all-new experience to try out. Too bad it didn't work out for him.

So while he was the emperor he let himself be killed so he could invade the shitlander's mind and be the emperor again, where he started?

Bioware...

Originally posted by Lord Stark
That's not him stopping time. That's him manipulating the Outlander's perspective. We even ****ing see it from Arcann's perspective and time isn't stopped.

He's stopped time in the middle of combat, lol. Its not just perspective.

Originally posted by Nephthys
He's stopped time in the middle of combat, lol. Its not just perspective.

... why. That makes literally 0 sense.

Scourge had thousands of visions in the middle of combat, time to perfectly understand them all and exactly what he had to do, without time moving at all. There’s precedent, even in the TOR era, for characters to slow perceptions and perceive events in what is essentially ‘stopped time’ without actually stopping time itself. None of what happened is outside the realm of just manipulating the outlanders consciousness.

It’s the rational, logical explanation of the feats, unlike Valk stopping time everywhere in the Universe at once.

And the perspective of the person who's mind is being f*cked with is not admissible as evidence of what is actually going on. 👆

If that video is of any indication, I don't think this "perception" distinction matters. If an ability like that is unchained by PIS/CIS, then there's nothing stopping Valk from enhancing his own perceptions to ridiculous degrees and effectively having built-in prep mid-battle, hell even mid-attack. He could sit back and spend hours deliberating each move Sherlocke Holme's style and decide upon the most efficient method of counterattack meanwhile always leaving his opponent in the dust. If I had an ability like that, I would destroy world champion boxers and MMA fighters with the utmost ease. 😂

Quite.

mmm

Originally posted by Selenial
... why. That makes literally 0 sense.

Scourge had thousands of visions in the middle of combat, time to perfectly understand them all and exactly what he had to do, without time moving at all. There’s precedent, even in the TOR era, for characters to slow perceptions and perceive events in what is essentially ‘stopped time’ without actually stopping time itself. None of what happened is outside the realm of just manipulating the outlanders consciousness.

It’s the rational, logical explanation of the feats, unlike Valk stopping time everywhere in the Universe at once.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
And the perspective of the person who's mind is being f*cked with is not admissible as evidence of what is actually going on. 👆

Look at what I was replying to before you hit send next time. 🙄

Stark was suggesting time wasn't stopped based on Arcann's perspective. I was rebutting that point only. We know it isn't just perspective because Valk and the Outlander can move and use the Force in stopped time.

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
So while he was the emperor he let himself be killed so he could invade the shitlander's mind and be the emperor again, where he started?

Bioware...

😆

Originally posted by Selenial
... why. That makes literally 0 sense.

Scourge had thousands of visions in the middle of combat, time to perfectly understand them all and exactly what he had to do, without time moving at all. There’s precedent, even in the TOR era, for characters to slow perceptions and perceive events in what is essentially ‘stopped time’ without actually stopping time itself. None of what happened is outside the realm of just manipulating the outlanders consciousness.

It’s the rational, logical explanation of the feats, unlike Valk stopping time everywhere in the Universe at once.

👆

Originally posted by Nephthys
Look at what I was replying to before you hit send next time. 🙄

Stark was suggesting time wasn't stopped based on Arcann's perspective. I was rebutting that point only. We know it isn't just perspective because Valk and the Outlander can move and use the Force in stopped time.

I'm sure that from the Outlanders perspective he did move and launch attacks in stopped time, yes.

Because he did. 😐

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