Originally posted by Philosophia
It's not quite the same as you and I, only if you allow me the ability to fly at whatever speed I want from the other side of the field.I'm not sure what Damborg's intent is here, but equivalent in speed supposedly means that...Superman is brought down to Thor's level, which is let's say for argument's sake Wolverine/Cap tier [i.e. accurate, lol]. Or are they human level?
Anyway, for the sake of the argument let's assume the former. Now, match starts, and Superman starts flying towards him.If Cap would have Superman flying speed, it means that he can close the distance as fast as he wants - or better said, as fast as his reaction/perception time now allows, without crashing into Thor because he doesn't perceive when to stop. Though the image of Superman slamming into Thor and KOing him because he couldn't perceive when to stop is hilarious, I'd think, given that real world pilots fly at mach speeds, that he'd be able to handle at least that flight speed [they're in open air space, Supes has to do so over 500m, so it evens out]. So it would take minimal time to cover the distance to Thor, time in which he'd have to shuffle a shitload of abilities and pick the optimal one. Superman all he has is "I can punch and fly, remove Mjolnir", so his 'buffering' is much lower in terms of options.
What's the chances, especially a majority of time, that in the small time frame before Superman covers the distance and overwhelms him, Thor thinks EXACTLY the right thing to do, in the exact manner that he has to do it? The first instinct would be to try and swing the hammer, which Superman has already been shown to palm anyway. Then lightning I'd say would be the second, which even assuming is instant, would do shit to Superman. But portals to red suns, when he's JUST been given common knowledge at the start of the fight? Yeah, people are starting to get into "I control him" tourney shit, when it's not logical. There is no pre-fight prep, even as far as thinking strategies. Once Clark closes the distance, he does what I posted above.
At least imo.
hmm, ok. the reason i said it would be the same as you and i is because like us, they would have the same relative amount of time to perceive and react to each other. now, i'm not sure thor would need (or be likely to perform) anything exotic here at all. their relative reaction/perceptual speeds are identical, so that means superman would be equally susceptible to an attack from thor, only in your scenario he isn't really doing....anything. he's just standing there, getting ready to receive a blitz--a blitz he would absolutely be able to see coming and react to in borg's thread. now, it's true supes HAS caught the hammer, but in THIS case he'd need to do it WHILE BLITZING. i don't see that happening. while he's blitzing, thor could also throw the hammer, and again, i really don't see him catching a thrown hammer--in fact using the same x-over you referenced, we saw what a hammer throw could do to him--and even if he isn't susceptible to the magic, it would still do some real damage and halt the blitz before it ever reached him.
or, even more likely, he waits for superman to get in close and just...smashes him with the hammer. again, i don't see a blitzing superman being able to stop it like he did in the past. maybe he could dodge, or avoid it, but then his blitz is also negated and it comes down to a more basic fight where the hammer is the difference imo.
in a situation where thor can react to and counter a blitz, i think a blitz from superman is...not his best move tbh. he could try and blitz while blasting hv, but thor could spin his hammer as a shield, blocking both the hv AND the blitz at the same time, and spinning often leads to a portal being opened to some wasteland somewhere or other.
freeze breath might be a better option, but i'm not sure that is exactly his go-to move. it might hold long enough to get him a win though unless thor spun the hammer and drove the breath back or around him.
i think in this situation it really favors thor. i mean one has a crazy uber weapon, and the other doesn't. even if supes is stronger, the hammer makes up the difference in striking power and the longer supes lasts, the more likely thor is to go exotic. least imo.
I know that crossovers don't count here, but Superman showed a level of strength comparable to Zeus when he palmed that hammer strike. Thor even commented on how none in all 9 realms could do so, well at least until Rulk did it again. But, at that point in time, Superman showed superior strength to Thor. This has to factor in someplace here right? Anyways I think Superman takes this even while fighting at Thor's speed, or Thor fighting at his speed. Tough fight, but Superman probably eventually wins this.
Sorry if I was unclear guys. I'm equalizing the fighters to Thor's speed in the interest of avoiding the speed blitz FTW argument. Superman can still fly and whatnot but now he's not operating at these levels.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman doesn't needs speed to beat the shit out of Thor.
He needs it to avoid eating hammer though, he's going to get a lot more of this now:
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Originally posted by Damborgson
Sorry if I was unclear guys. I'm equalizing the fighters to Thor's speed in the interest of avoiding the speed blitz FTW argument. Superman can still fly and whatnot but now he's not operating at these levels.He needs it to avoid eating hammer though, he's going to get a lot more of this now:
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Thor isn't winning a physical fight with Superman.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Without magic weakness crutch to discuss? Superman can take as many hammer shots as Thor can dish.Thor isn't winning a physical fight with Superman.
It's not a crutch, it's an actual legitimized 'vulnerability' he has. I'm gonna start calling the speed advantage a crutch.
Thor packs about 100 other abilities that don't require him to win a physical fight with Superman.
Originally posted by abhilegendAre you on drugs abhil? Superman will not take hammer shots from Thor. Stop being crazy abhil. I tell you this because I'm going to spare you and only you when I put up my video.
Without magic weakness crutch to discuss? Superman can take as many hammer shots as Thor can dish.Thor isn't winning a physical fight with Superman.
Originally posted by Damborgson
It's not a crutch, it's an actual legitimized 'vulnerability' he has. I'm gonna start calling the speed advantage a crutch.Thor packs about 100 other abilities that don't require him to win a physical fight with Superman.
For Thor fans, it is. Magic weakness rarely affects Superman's fights with herald level beings.
CIS off doesn't means you are controlling the character. Thor isn't suddenly using abilities he hasn't used in decades.
Originally posted by krisblaze
I love how the crossover keeps showing up, no matter what.Palpable desperation.
Originally posted by JBL
Are you on drugs abhil? Superman will not take hammer shots from Thor. Stop being crazy abhil. I tell you this because I'm going to spare you and only you when I put up my video.
Oh its you.
Originally posted by Damborgson
....what video?
Originally posted by JBL
Me my son and 2 of my imaginary writer friends laughing as my son reads some replies from certain superman fans. My son asks them questions, it'll be fun. Carver will laugh his ass off.
Don't forget to post the imaginary link of the imaginary video.
Originally posted by abhilegend
For Thor fans, it is. Magic weakness rarely affects Superman's fights with herald level beings.CIS off doesn't means you are controlling the character. Thor isn't suddenly using abilities he hasn't used in decades.
It's done it plenty though, the intention is clear.
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No, but he also doesn't run into heat vision. More lightning, more absorption, more range, more things that let him steal wins off Superman.
