Thor vs Superman (Again)

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
No, I'm NOT debating powerset. I'm actually debating character.

I've said this, many many many times.

Barry Allen, as an example.

If I just debated powerset, Pietro would be the same.

BUT: Barry LOVES using his intellect. He's a forensic scientist, a guy who's so good at his job, his entire department cuts him ferocious amounts of slack. Imagine if you did what he did - left work suddenly, came in late, left early everytime a monster attacked, didn't do your cases etc...how long before you were fired?

He loves solving mysteries:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-RNx7pPo6cn8/WjERDjNsM_I/AAAAAAAAAVc/DFl-Td-DjK48iJ6NydlsCZQnxR0zt_4MgCHMYCw/s1600/RCO004.jpg

So, in character, he uses his brain. He does it so well, even Batman, when they first met, complimented him - telling him he did a great job.

In character, he doesn't like being hit.

So...IN CHARACTER, he will use his speed to not get hit.

Superman too, doesn't like throwing down. If it can be solved quickly, he will do it. He doesn't like drawn out physical punchfests IF HE CAN HELP IT. He would try BFR, he would try HV, all of it.

Now, let's look at Thor. In character, what is he like?

Hulk. In character, does he throw out his more exotic powers? Or does he SMASH?

In a way, I guess you're right. I AM debating powersets. The powers I am specifically focusing on, are superintelligence and superspeed.

Here, Thor has neither.

Superman has superintelligence.

I mean, I don't have superintelligence. But even I would avoid getting hit if I can help it.

You have to be debating power set though because 95% of the time, Superman is getting hit in combat. Surfer has Super intelligence but no one uses him in the fashion you're trying to use Supes. If you are ignoring what happens in comics and making up a fighting tactic for Superman then yes, you are debating power set, sorry.

You posting scans of him solving puzzles at super speed doesn't take away that Konvikt has rocked him, Grundy, Darkseid, hell, let's just say every brick he has went fist cuff with has decked him. Super intelligence but he let Kalibak no him.

Originally posted by carver9
You posting scans of him solving puzzles at super speed doesn't take away that Konvikt has rocked him, Grundy, Darkseid, hell, let's just say every brick he has went fist cuff with has decked him. Super intelligence but he let Kalibak no him.

Exactly.

PIS.

Why else would he get hit? He's smart. He has speed. Hell, I'm not smart, and I'd still avoid getting hit if I can help it.

If I had speed? I'd def avoid it.

So your arguments devolve to: he has speed for everything else, except for this.

It's like me using Hulk, and saying his fighting strength is different from his lifting strength.

Reed's physics intelligence is different from his maths intelligence.

Every single time Superman has been tagged by a slower opponent, it's PIS. It's just simple logic. The opponent is slower. Therefore, he can't hit him. If he does, it's for the plot.

Just like every street leveller is magically able to keep up with heralds, rather than disappearing in a puff of blood soaked mist.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Exactly.

PIS.

Why else would he get hit? He's smart. He has speed. Hell, I'm not smart, and I'd still avoid getting hit if I can help it.

If I had speed? I'd def avoid it.

So your arguments devolve to: he has speed for everything else, except for this.

It's like me using Hulk, and saying his fighting strength is different from his lifting strength.

Reed's physics intelligence is different from his maths intelligence.

Every single time Superman has been tagged by a slower opponent, it's PIS. It's just simple logic. The opponent is slower. Therefore, he can't hit him. If he does, it's for the plot.

Just like every street leveller is magically able to keep up with heralds, rather than disappearing in a puff of blood soaked mist.

So you're saying Thor is too dumb to know how to use the abilities he's shown on panel? Surfer is too dumb to go intangible against Superman, use his cosmic awareness and create a thing of Kryptonite in his brain? You keep bringing up super intelligence but what does that have to do with someone having an ability and either use it or not use it? It doesn't make sense. It's like saying Cyclops is too dumb to use optic blast. Are we in agreement that Thor pulls 10/10 here by throwing Mjlonir letting it battle Superman while he assist with throwing super speed punches and spamming with with chaos king level lightning? I thought of this and I am not close to being as fluent with Thor abilities as he is or does this tactic take super intelligence as well?

You are clearly ignoring on panel evidence to support your argument.

Originally posted by carver9
You posting scans of him solving puzzles at super speed doesn't take away that Konvikt has rocked him, Grundy, Darkseid, hell, let's just say every brick he has went fist cuff with has decked him. Super intelligence but he let Kalibak no him.

Might want to mind the hypocrisy and the personal stuff, guys.

Originally posted by quanchi112
My way is the only fair way. Follow me carver into the promised land of objectivity.

DON'T DO IT CARVER!!!

Quan, show me the way.

Originally posted by carver9
Quan, show me the way.

Skywalker is a metaphor for DC fans, carver. Do not let them return. Smite them.

You are my Hux, carver.

Originally posted by carver9
So you're saying Thor is too dumb to know how to use the abilities he's shown on panel? Surfer is too dumb to go intangible against Superman, use his cosmic awareness and create a thing of Kryptonite in his brain? You keep bringing up super intelligence but what does that have to do with someone having an ability and either use it or not use it? It doesn't make sense. It's like saying Cyclops is too dumb to use optic blast. Are we in agreement that Thor pulls 10/10 here by throwing Mjlonir letting it battle Superman while he assist with throwing super speed punches and spamming with with chaos king level lightning? I thought of this and I am not close to being as fluent with Thor abilities as he is or does this tactic take super intelligence as well?

You are clearly ignoring on panel evidence to support your argument.

Throwin Mjolnir and letting it fight for him.....on panel, he has admitted it has never flown for him like it does for Jane.

So no, that ain't happening (assuming it's male Thor).

So that alone shows that....well, you DID talk about your intelligence, lol. But you're trying the one tactic that would probably not work lmao.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Throwin Mjolnir and letting it fight for him.....on panel, he has admitted it has never flown for him like it does for Jane.

So no, that ain't happening (assuming it's male Thor).

So that alone shows that....well, you DID talk about your intelligence, lol. But you're trying the one tactic that would probably not work lmao.

It fights for him like Carver says? Fair enough. I didn't think it behaved like a sentient creature in the past.

Zipping around trying to hurt or incapacitate your opponent doesn't sound so complicated. At least that's what I think he meant.

True.

But Mjolnir is it's own character. What Thor does or thinks is inconsequential. If Mjolnir doesn't want to do it, it ain't doing it.

As shown in all the battles where Thor has been beaten, and Mjolnir didn't help out like it did with Jane.

Eh? What are we talkin bout here?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
True.

But Mjolnir is it's own character. What Thor does or thinks is inconsequential. If Mjolnir doesn't want to do it, it ain't doing it.

As shown in all the battles where Thor has been beaten, and Mjolnir didn't help out like it did with Jane.

Mjolnir is more of a man hating ***** then Whor. 😂

I'm arguing that someone faster, getting tagged by someone slower, is PIS.

Carver then dodged the q, and brought up Thor and his intelligence.

When in fact, he completely ignores Thor's character and Superman s character.

One is a mild mannered reporter who would rather end fights as quickly as possible.

The other is a warrior who loves fighting. Barehanded, on occasion.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I'm arguing that someone faster, getting tagged by someone slower, is PIS.

Carver then dodged the q, and brought up Thor and his intelligence.

When in fact, he completely ignores Thor's character and Superman s character.

One is a mild mannered reporter who would rather end fights as quickly as possible.

The other is a warrior who loves fighting. Barehanded, on occasion.

He's also arguing what "he" would do, with those powers.

Norrin would hardly put a radioactive death sentence in someone's head. No more then he'd give someone cancer.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Skywalker is a metaphor for DC fans, carver. Do not let them return. Smite them.

You are my Hux, carver.

I doubt carver even knows the source of your gif 🙁

He loves to fight for the right reasons. He's not so unlike Clark in which he does hold back and would rather have fights end quickly or not start at all. That's if we're talking about standard, worthy Avenger Thor.