Originally posted by The Ellimist
Ehh, being able to block some lightsaber strikes while tag teaming the other guy and retreating frantically doesn't really constitute competing.
I don't really see why this would be the case for Plagueis who's likely a great deal below TPM Sids.
Additionally Mace is a more impressive saber combatant anad has an ability in vapaad that can neutralize hax.
Overall, Mace seems like a clear superior to me.
So once again, the Sheev brigade is reduced to using the same four ambiguous feats when Valkorion has a whole list of sh!t that can be favorably compared to Plagueis.
Him two-shotting Lana Beniko, who stalemated Senya, who was matching the Force augmented rage of Vaylin with sheer defensive skill, is probably just as good as anything Plagueis did in a duel to a pure hype character in Venamis. Tbh.
Lmfao.
Valkorion simultaneously death waved hundreds of Zakuul Knights without hurting the Alliance crew inbetween them. He was immensely less powerful in this form due to having an inferior host and existing as a spirit.
Fortress TK? Seriously? Numerous TOR characters who are fodder to Vitiate have destroyed Kaas City Blocks as children, two fodder Dark Councillors destroyed the previous Dark Citadel, Jadus held together a Harrower-class Dreadnought as it was destroyed. Vitiate himself when he was dying and had a fraction of his power destroyed the Dark Temple which was massive.
Vitiate consumed Ziost as a spirit and then became 'vastly' more powerful. So that's a far easier feat for Valkorion.
Plagueis failed, if you're going to use excuses for that, I'll use the same logic for as to why Vitiate failed to consume the galaxy via a Ritual. After which he's implied to be capable of replicating it again without a ritual as a mere spirit, before becoming much more powerful as Valkorion.
Now sit down.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Everything she said was accurate. I know exactly what each thing is referring to.
Originally posted by AncientPowerValkorion simultaneously death waved hundreds of Zakuul Knights without hurting the Alliance crew inbetween them. He was immensely less powerful in this form due to having an inferior host and existing as a spirit.
Fortress TK? Seriously? Numerous TOR characters who are fodder to Vitiate have destroyed Kaas City Blocks as children, two fodder Dark Councillors destroyed the previous Dark Citadel, Jadus held together a Harrower-class Dreadnought as it was destroyed. Vitiate himself when he was dying and had a fraction of his power destroyed the Dark Temple which was massive.
Vitiate consumed Ziost as a spirit and then became 'vastly' more powerful. So that's a far easier feat for Valkorion.
Plagueis failed, if you're going to use excuses for that, I'll use the same logic for as to why Vitiate failed to consume the galaxy via a Ritual. After which he's implied to be capable of replicating it again without a ritual as a mere spirit, before becoming much more powerful as Valkorion.
In short, AP was being at best absent minded and at worst disingenuous. Neither are really helpful when you're trying to convince others that your opinion on a character is valid.
Lol.
Theron Shan says otherwise:
"I'm picking up a small army incoming."
- Theron Shan
Valkorion says that he had to forge the Outlander into a being worthy of preserving his spirit. Hence the numerous boons of power throughout the course of the two expansions. If the Outlander accepts his power against Arcann you can see it clearly overwhelming his body in the aftermath.
Thana Vesh:
Thana discovered her talent with the Force, she tested her destructive talents on her military parents’ bodyguards. After the eighth guard was found broken and mangled, Thana’s terrified parents tried to suppress their daughter’s power; Thana lashed out, and the resulting devastation burned an entire Kaas City block to the ground. Thana’s parents were consumed in the blaze and their Force-adept orphan was sent to the Sith Academy on Korriban.
- Thana Vesh Codex Entry
Wrong again:
The original Citadel mimicked the designs of Korriban's Sith Academy and the Great Citadel on Ziost, but it was destroyed four hundred years ago when two members of the Dark Council fought an ancient Sith duel, called the Kaggath, on its grounds. The duel was a draw, and both of the combatants were executed by the remaining Dark Council members, who oversaw the rebuilding of the Citadel in its current form.
- The Citadel Codex Entry
Jadus' feat was keeping together the remains, despite gravity and total loss of the super structure.
Vitiate fed on the death to replenish his power:
The man now called Vitiate by those who once served him was not strong enough to usurp all life on Yavin 4 after his reawakening. However, he did gain power enough to flee the jungle moon and survive. Now that he has found in Ziost a suitable target to replenish himself--now that he appears to grow more powerful by the hour--what now? When will his unforgiving depletion of Ziost end? And when it does end, what fate will befall the rest of the galaxy?
- Vitiate Codex Entry
The actual consumption of Ziost would've given him massive power. Not to mention it's confirmed he got more powerful with each incarnation. Oh and Valky himself saying that Ziost enlightened him to his new powers.
The Jedi Knight has special dialogue referring to the absence of a ritual when Marr and Shan warn about the destruction of the galaxy. Something reinforced by the mass visions of Ashara Zavros, the Wrath, the Hero of Tython and more.
Plagueis. Midichlorian regen is quite decisive and should allow him to prevail against Valk even if he is only comparable in terms of power (and there's reason to believe he's above, too, from some of the arguments and evidence that have been presented here). Against Unu'Thul, Plagueis will have a very hard time, but I still see him coming out on top. Krayt and Nihilus don't strike me as capable of defeating Plagueis for any round out of 10, and certainly not for a majority. Mace Windu is truly formidable due to his contention with Sidious but the circumstances in the duel, although typically overblown, were at least notable. Plagueis also has numerous ways to undermine him. Although out of all those on the poll, Mace probably would come closest to beating him.