Originally posted by Rockydonovang
I'm willing to bet the guy gasping for air is expending more energy than the dude not gasping for air.
Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Can you give me an example of a force choke that wasn't easy looking?.
Originally posted by Sirion_Of_Doomwhether Maul was expending energy by chokinghim longer isn't relevant was my point.
[B]I don't get what you're trying to say here, brother. I think I... agree? Not that it has anything to do with my point.
but if you disagree, so be it.
In the mean time, let us celebrate the death cof rappy pt era rip offs.
Originally posted by ILS
@AP due to your clear dishonesty and lack of good will to debate using a mutual standard, this will be the last reply you get from me.
Funny, it's almost as if you're making the same excuse as Azronger.
Originally posted by ILS
Starting fires is not relevant compared to Maul, or even your average competent Jedi Knight, so please dispense with your nonsense.
Obviously she unleashed a wave of power that caused a massive fire that burnt skyscrapers to the ground. Your lowballing is fvcking pathetic for your caliber.
Originally posted by ILS
During their Kaggath which involves all of their military resources. Nice try, unless you can post the quote and prove otherwise.
The original Citadel mimicked the designs of Korriban's Sith Academy and the Great Citadel on Ziost, but it was destroyed four hundred years ago when two members of the Dark Council fought an ancient Sith duel, called the Kaggath, on its grounds. The duel was a draw, and both of the combatants were executed by the remaining Dark Council members, who oversaw the rebuilding of the Citadel in its current form.
Originally posted by ILS
It's a shame, as Neph said, you built your foundation on sand. The guys you mentioned didn't destroy a citadel with telekinesis, so they have shit-all for feats.
LMFAO. Unless you think lightsabers can destroy a fvcking citadel then it was obviously due to a Force exchange. They fought to a draw, so clearly the powers they utilised were equally destructive.
Originally posted by ILS
A Dark Council who are stronger than 1,000 powerless soldiers couldn't order a successful hit on these two guys. Got it, more shit feats.
You've actually gone to shit.
The Jedi Master Yonlach was considered the greatest teacher of his time, a valuable asset to the Jedi Order. He has long been the very model of the Jedi Code, a master of his emotions and unafraid of death. Older now, the Force is still strong with him, and he has many years of wisdom and experience behind him.
He's a greater teacher than every other Jedi Master of his time. That means his knowledge and training is peerless amongst the Jedi order. That places his mastery of techniques above everyone else in the Order.
When the Empire invaded, however, the Balmorran Arms Factory found a different purpose. The compound's massive walls and production facilities became the core of the Balmorran resistance effort, giving Republic troops and Balmorran soldiers an impenetrable fortress with a nearly endless supply of resources and weaponry. In the years since, the factory has been under constant siege, but has never fallen. Rumor has it that the resistance has even taken advantage of the factory's research facilities, developing devastating new technology to drive the Empire off Balmorra.
The Wrath 'slaughtered' through a nigh-impenetrable fortress which had nearly endless heavy weapons technology production. The place was the base of the Balmorran Resistance, thousands of well-trained recruits. Supported by over a 1,000 elite Republic heavy troopers and Jedi knights, led by numerous Jedi masters and Commando Generals. Yet this was considered a less dangerous challenge than facing Yonlach, let alone Yul-Li, a master lightsaber duelist.
Originally posted by ILS
It's a shame everything you have posted is shit. Saato has better feats than this.
Denial would be your best asset at this point. 👆
Originally posted by ILS
So another layer of shit?
Nah, he's a Jedi Master who brought down the Starweird Queen, and whose apprentice was taking on Darth Baras. All before his power multiplied.
Jedi Master Wyellett was one of the great Jedi heroes of the last war. Deeply concerned with the preservation of life and more interested in communing with the Force than in using his power as a weapon, he nonetheless proved himself in combat time and again. When his apprentice Xerender battled Darth Baras, Wyellett joined Xerender and sought to redeem the Sith; failing, Wyellett seized Baras’s lightsaber and chose to use it as his own, a symbol of darkness brought into the light. Wyellett’s final heroic act was an act of self-sacrifice committed to save his Padawan Xerender and much of the Jedi Council from the legendary Starweird Queen; this resulted in his capture by the Empire. The Imperial starship that was transporting Wyellett was destroyed in the Battle of Hoth, and Master Wyellett has been believed dead all these years. In fact, Wyellett has been in a trance beneath the rubble of the fallen ship, psychically trying to reach out to his former pupil. Now, Wyellett has transcended the concerns of this galaxy and his powers are more realized than ever before.
He defeated the same spirit that would've killed the Jedi Council.
"You cannot defeat me, Sith. In the last few decades my connection with the Force has multiplied. I have been enlightened."
- Wyellett
Originally posted by ILS
It's a shame she didn't win the entire war and there are no worthwhile assassins from before her time worth mentioning.
Funny, because I'm quite sure the likes of Darth Sion and Darth Thanaton are both Sith Assassins. Thanaton of course could telekinetically build a bridge of debris in the vacuum of space, could tank attacks from Exal Kressh, and one-shotted Act II Nox who'd already defeated the likes of Darth Zash and fought Revan in the Foundry.
Originally posted by ILS
You're claiming he absorbed all of the power of Darth Traya, received a power boost from Sel-Makor, and also because he "convinced the Dark Coucil he was the Voice of the Emperor", you think he can solo the Dark Council, despite getting his shit pushed in by the Wrath on his own?If you can prove anything you just said, I'll cut my leg off and mail it to you as a trophy.
Baras did gain power from Sel-makor, he's even said to be greater in power than Fulminiss:
"Rewards. Power. Sel-Makor offers them to you. Like the one who came before.""Who are you talking about? Was there someone here before Fulminiss?"
"Decades ago. A Sith. Greater than Fulminiss. Power was given."
- Sel-Makor and the Hero of Tython, The Old Republic
Marr and other members of the Dark Council are quite convinced of the possibility, which also means they must think he has enough power to kill them all:
"Baras claims to be the Voice; this lord claims to be the Wrath. I will not provoke the Emperor. The one who lives speaks truth."
- Darth Marr, The Old Republic
Traya is the Entity that Baras bound and he uses her power to get to where he is:
"He feeds off this spirit's power, stealing all her visions of the future. Everything he has built has come from her insights."
- Darth Vowrawn, The Old Republic
Originally posted by ILS
So to be clear, nothing exceeding Anakin's dreadnought feat, Maul being a casual destroyer of buildings which can contain up to 500 people, Obi-Wan's tree feat or the almighty Rivi-Anu's capital ship hoisting. Gotcha.
Nah, I'm building up the list of the Wrath's victims. A list of utter powerhouses who all got either wrecked or were killed quickly. All of those feats are years prior to Wrath's prime in Ziost, nevermind KOTET. All of that together is a better genuine in-combat resume than anything I've seen from you.
Originally posted by ILS
Which by your analysis is inferior to Maul choking out Obi-Wan rather casually.
Not even remotely. Not that I'm getting into a labyrinthine Maul vs. Kenobi argument with you.
Originally posted by ILS
Anakin was not in Oneness during his dreadnought feat, seeing as he was grinning about it afterwards, nor is there any proof Rivi Anu was.
They were both clearly using their full potential, your avid denial is irrelevant.
Originally posted by ILS
I'll also add that Maul's accolades of being trained "in Sidious' likeness," "mercilessly in all Sith arts," and being "one of the most highly trained, skilled, dangerous, lethal, etc Sith in all of history" do not help your case either. Nor does his clear superiority over Arcann where their warrior talents are concerned, with Maul having many accolades from Sidious claiming his skill is without equal, from Plagueis stating his speed is astonishing and his skills are excellent, and from out of universe sources stating he is among the best of all time, "an incredible warrior," "all but invincible," "a perfect Sith weapon," "unstoppable," and so on.
If you want accolades, Sheev considers Decieved!Malgus an unrivalled Sith warrior throughout history whose feats in battle are unmatched. That includes Darth Maul. Arcann is undeniably Malgus' superior. 😬
The Wrathlander was woefully inadequate in combat against Arcann, it took massive power boons from Valkorion and retraining in the Force; despite mastering the dark side and having legendary power and skills in combat, to even contest with Arcann instead of being one-shotted as per usual. That's pre-prime Arcann too.
Maul dies, ILS cries.
I just don't want to spend all of my time talking to someone who unashamedly uses double standards, lies, and is wrong about everything they say. Case in point: you're trying to pass off a Kaggath, a battle between two Sith with all of the military resources their power bases can muster, as a TK duel which lol-wrecked a citadel.
Causing devastation which then caused a fire, which resulted in the city block burning down, is not a telekinesis feat. It's a chain reaction. All you need is moderate telekinetic power to go around destroying flammable shit and helping the fire spread until most of the street is destroyed. This is just getting sad now.
Yonlach has shit for feats. Knowledge does not in of itself equate to magnitude of power. Let's address stupid argument #34 now:
Yonlach single-handedly was considered so strong the Dark Council couldn't manage to get him killed. Who per Malavai Quinn, were more dangerous than an entire army of a 1,000 elite Republic forces
>Dark Council couldn't hire a hitman to kill him
>Dark Council's own strength is irrelevant to the success of their assassination attempts
Therefore, you're full of shit.
None of Thanaton's feats, especially his mediocre debris-moving feat which he did in a zero-gravity environment, compare to what Anakin or Obi-Wan have pulled off. Nor does "tanking Kressh's attacks" or oneshotting Act 2 Nox with sorcery. There's a huge difference in magnitude which you have failed to address (ragdolling dozens of starships worth of weight, or all of Kenobi's great feats), and if you want to play the accolades game, Maul has everyone you've mentioned so far beaten in spades in any hype relating to Force power.
First off, you need to quantify Baras' Makor amp in a meaningful way for me to care about it, i.e what feats support your argument? Secondly, your quote about Traya only states he "feeds off" the spirit's power, which is very different from "has all of Traya's power" - if you would be so kind as to stop lying at some point, please do.
Yes, Marr was tricked into thinking he was Vitiate's voice. He was scared because he's scared of Vitiate's voice, not Baras. After Baras got his ass kicked by the Wrath, he stopped being scared.
"I'll take my chances."
https://youtu.be/QKkSUmnM0fg?t=4m15s
You have made a record number of retarded arguments and blatant lies in this post alone, and you think I need an excuse to ignore you?
Sidious said that Malgus' battlefield feats have never been replicated, not that he is the best warrior ever in all contexts. In this context he is referring to Malgus through the lens of his War Journal where he was commanding armies.
Your point is ridiculous, because Sidious has stated that Vader is the "greatest Jedi killer of all time" and that Maul's skills with a lightsaber are without equal three different times.
And no, Anakin was not clearly using all of his potential, because he grinned after the feat. And Rivi using all of her effort does not indicate Oneness, so do yourself a favour and drop the point unless you want to put up evidence.
If this rebuttal isn't enough to shut you up, I don't see how anything will. This video perfectly represents your attempts at creating "arguments" throughout this thread:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmInkxbvlCs
ILS vs AP, 2018
Originally posted by slayne😂 seriously.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmInkxbvlCsILS vs AP, 2018
Originally posted by ILS
I just don't want to spend all of my time talking to someone who unashamedly uses double standards, lies, and is wrong about everything they say. Case in point: you're trying to pass off a Kaggath, a battle between two Sith with all of the military resources their power bases can muster, as a TK duel which lol-wrecked a citadel.[img]https://i.imgur.com/B4mLwvv.png[/img
I'm assuming you simply can't read because it specifically states it was only the two of them. Which makes sense because it's in the fvcking Citadel. Are you actually so senile that you think they could bring two massive militaries to bare against the seat of power of the entire Empire?
Originally posted by ILS
Causing devastation which then caused a fire, which resulted in the city block burning down, is not a telekinesis feat. It's a chain reaction. All you need is moderate telekinetic power to go around destroying flammable shit and helping the fire spread until most of the street is destroyed. This is just getting sad now.
Is putting additional context into statements to fit your own agenda your only talent now? You seem to be getting weak.
Thana lashed out, and the resulting devastation burned an entire Kaas City block to the ground.
She lashed out with a Force power that consumed her parents and the devastation that the power caused burnt down an entire city block made up of towers and even skyscrapers.
Originally posted by ILS
Yonlach has shit for feats. Knowledge does not in of itself equate to magnitude of power. Let's address stupid argument #34 now:
Hurr-durr feaAt warsz! Master Yonlach is single-handedly more dangerous than an army made up of elite Republic troops, squads of Jedi knights, and all led by Jedi masters and Republic commandos with a state-of-the-art heavy weapons production facility at their command. He also had back up from Master Yul-li, his most skilled student ever. You trying this pathetic bit-by-bit dissection to lowball whatever you can doesn't help you with the fact that everyone I've listed following this point is even more powerful and dangerous than the previous.
Originally posted by ILS
>Dark Council couldn't hire a hitman to kill him
>Dark Council's own strength is irrelevant to the success of their assassination attemptsTherefore, you're full of shit.
What the fvck are you talking about? Yonlach scales from Balmorra, not the Dark Council.
Originally posted by ILS
None of Thanaton's feats, especially his mediocre debris-moving feat which he did in a zero-gravity environment, compare to what Anakin or Obi-Wan have pulled off. Nor does "tanking Kressh's attacks" or oneshotting Act 2 Nox with sorcery. There's a huge difference in magnitude which you have failed to address (ragdolling dozens of starships worth of weight, or all of Kenobi's great feats), and if you want to play the accolades game, Maul has everyone you've mentioned so far beaten in spades in any hype relating to Force power.
He was simultaneously surviving said vacuum and holding his breath the entire time. And he did this as a mere apprentice, he'd be vastly stronger in the game. Exal Kressh tore apart a power generator with her telekinesis and Teneb Kel tanked one of her attacks, again as an apprentice. One-shotting Nox and Khem Val is probably a Maul tier feat. 👆
Originally posted by ILS
First off, you need to quantify Baras' Makor amp in a meaningful way for me to care about it, i.e what feats support your argument? Secondly, your quote about Traya only states he "feeds off" the spirit's power, which is very different from "has all of Traya's power" - if you would be so kind as to [b]stop lying at some point, please do.[/B]
Makor has enough power to turn Voss, and the entire galaxy, into a nightmare land like the Dark Heart and was contesting Vitiate's spirit in a battle of will. It's a power boost, trying to switch goal posts isn't going to save your argument at this point. Has Maul's synthetic cock damaged your brain so badly that you took 'over-all' as 'all of'?
Originally posted by ILS
Yes, Marr was tricked into thinking he was Vitiate's voice. He was scared because he's scared of Vitiate's voice, not Baras. After Baras got his ass kicked by the Wrath, he stopped being scared."I'll take my chances."
https://youtu.be/QKkSUmnM0fg?t=4m15s
The Voice contains Vitiate's power and the Vitiate has made a legend out of his ability to one-shot entire dark councils. A legend they'd be well-versed in. Therefore, he'd have to be at least somewhat powerful enough for them to consider him having the ability to replicate this.
Originally posted by ILS
You have made a [b]record number of retarded arguments and blatant lies in this post alone, and you think I need an excuse to ignore you?[/B]
Is this another cop-out? Really? You're conceding faster than Az.
Originally posted by ILS
Sidious said that Malgus' [b]battlefield feats have never been replicated, not that he is the best warrior ever in all contexts. In this context he is referring to Malgus through the lens of his War Journal where he was commanding armies.Your point is ridiculous, because Sidious has stated that Vader is the "greatest Jedi killer of all time" and that Maul's skills with a lightsaber are without equal three different times.[/B]
Yes, battlefield feats of which he details his outright butchery of the most skilled Jedi Masters of his time. His battlefield feats have never been replicated by another Sith warrior, period. It's an utterly immense accolade from Sheev and it's given to him prior to achieving oneness with the dark side where his power grows daily thereafter for decades.
Vader's the greatest Jedi killer ever, indeed, because he's killed more than anybody else. Your point being? Sheev also calls him nothing more than an alchemical monster of his creation in the same book he praises Malgus.
I'm merely pointing out that TOR has its own fair share of accolades to wave around. Wrath included.
Originally posted by ILS
And no, Anakin was not clearly using all of his potential, because he [b]grinned after the feat. And Rivi using all of her effort does not indicate Oneness, so do yourself a favour and drop the point unless you want to put up evidence.[/B]
Literally everyone for ten years has seen these feats as pretty obvious outliers that were achieved with all-out displays of power. But hey, Rivi-Anu is pulling off better telekinesis than Yoda, apparently. Using your logic. I wonder why that's slightly problematic.
Originally posted by ILS
If this rebuttal isn't enough to shut you up, I don't see how anything will. This video perfectly represents your attempts at creating "arguments" throughout this thread:
I do wonder, ILS, why do you so desperately grasp at Rivi-Anu and Anakin? I only ask because I'm almost starting to think that Maul himself might be a little lacklustre.
Thana lashed out, and the resulting devastation burned an entire Kaas City block to the ground.
Thana did not burn the city block to the ground. That was a result of something she did starting a chain of events. Similarly, Yareal Poof did not contain something with the force to destroy a planet, he contained a force that was powerful enough to start a planet destroying sequence of events.
To try to pass this feat off as impressive because it destroyed a city block is like trying to pass Yareal Poof off as Valk+ because he stopped the destruction of a planet.
The end result isn't relevant here, what she actually did, start a fire, is.
Originally posted by AncientPower
The devastation burnt down towers and skyscrapers.
This is just the tip of the iceberg,